Chris Harris Drives: Merc-AMG GT R vs 911 GT3 RS vs BMW M4 GTS

[RPChan]

Originally Posted by Jockey

All it takes is money and a desire

A lot of money

I don't know how you can do a performance comparison in those conditions. The record pace around the Ring was not a fluke. It is definitely not a car you drive off the showroom and head to the track in. You need seat time and to dial it in suspension wise.

[RPChan]

Originally Posted by FrenchBoy

The problem with the M4 GTS is not the performance. It's the price. Because of its over-inflated price for what it is, it competes against much better and focused machines.

It should have been $100K and not limited production.

I couldn't disagree more with this perspective. Sorry. The GTS is nothing like an M4. It is a track focused car. Not a street car with track bits on it.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by GioM3

I mean WHY???
Why did BMW made M4 GTS? it looks like every single competitor destroys it, I mean WHY, why can't BMW make one flagship Supercar to silence the critics and especially number one competitor merc.
Oh Why??????

Two words: "collector market".

[Xtabi]

Originally Posted by Xtabi

I did not read the review. But man, just from subjective standpoint the Porsche is amazing looking. I would pick that one hands down. Are all of those cars in the same base msrp ballpark? I'd take the merc next and the M4 a very distant last...and then sell it to buy a M3.

Ok just watched the video. The scene where they transition over from reviewing the Merc to the M4 gave me clarity on something that I have been trying to figure out for awhile. It just looks out of place. Like the way kitted out Civics next to an M3. As if they are trying reaaaly hard to be something they aren't. The looks aren't there and apparently the performance is greatly lacking. At least according to CH.

Also I'd like to slightly change my rating order. Again this is based on looks alone. I did not realize, until I watched the video, that the Merc is the penis car. So the revision is....Porsche by a very long mile. Penis car next. M4 wayyyyyyyyyy last and I'd still sell it and get my $68k M3 again. Interesting CH said the same thing! It hauls my wife + three kids and performs like a demon. Such a sweet ride!

[YungDro]

thread closed....

[mrduder]

Originally Posted by YungDro

M4 GTS is a weapon every car enthusiast I know loves it just reviewers dont understand the M4 GTS. It will compete with the upcoming C63 R. not the AMG GTR and 911 GT3 RS its not even about price point.

That's just it though. He's not just a a reviewer. He's a car enthusiast himself. He owned the F80. So what does that tell you? That he "doesn't get it"? Give me a break.....

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GioM3

I mean WHY???
Why did BMW made M4 GTS? it looks like every single competitor destroys it, I mean WHY, why can't BMW make one flagship Supercar to silence the critics and especially number one competitor merc.
Oh Why??????

Because BMW is not able to do it...

[GioM3]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Because BMW is not able to do it...

if anybody is capable it's BMW

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Oh wait... But he didn't have the aero in full track mode! Otherwise, he would have loved the car as Captain Unknown GT4 can confirm.

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[adc]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

AMG GTR: $195,000+ If you can get one
911 GT3 RS: $250,000+ for a 2016 model
BMW M4 GTS: around $130,000 at today's prices.

Not in the same ball park at all.
The GTS is actually a good value for the money.

Got the GTS and a $70,000 SUV for the winter.
Having a blast!

Only if you don't consider the GT3. Similar price, would love to see a comparison of the two.

[Advevo]

It doesn t make any sense to ask gt3 money for an M4 GTS.

I don t get it why bmw builds it and ask silly money. Same goes for the m4 CS.

Bmw should stick to it s roots. Make nice sporty cars for an affordable price!

I have driven the m4 GTS. I would not trade my M2 for it Yes i would trade, sell the M4 GTS and buy 2 Times an M2 and still have money in my pocket.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Because BMW is not able to do it...

They do not want to do it. They would rather be the German Toyota

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by adc

Only if you don't consider the GT3. Similar price, would love to see a comparison of the two.

I would agree in a perfect world but try to find me a 2017 GT3 for $140,000.
As I mentioned in a different post I called around about preordering the manual version coming out in September. If you have not been buying Porsches for the last 10 years from the same dealer, forget it. Same thing with the automatic.
Or be ready to pay $180,000 + if you are lucky on the secondary market.

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by Advevo

It doesn t make any sense to ask gt3 money for an M4 GTS.

I don t get why bmw builds it and ask silly money. Same goes for the m4 CS.

Bmw should stick to it s roots. Make nice sporty cars for an affordable price!

I have driven the m4 GTS. I would not trade my M2 for it Yes i would trade sell the M4 GTS and buy 2 Times an M2 and still have money in my pocket.

Wow...now I've heard it all... M2 > M4 GTS... whatever you are high on must be some grade A pure opiods.

[motex]

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

As usual more poor M4 GTS press! Car is just silly. Massive fail!

+1

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

I would agree in a perfect world but try to find me a 2017 GT3 for $140,000.
As I mentioned in a different post I called around about preordering the manual version coming out in September. If you have not been buying Porsches for the last 10 years from the same dealer, forget it. Same thing with the automatic.
Or be ready to pay $180,000 + if you are lucky on the secondary market.

Do you think it would beat a nicely optioned Carrera S in a test?

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by M2 CSL

Do you think it would beat a nicely optioned Carrera S in a test?

As has been seen, it cannot outperform a 991.2 Carrera S despite the many advantages including much stickier tires.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by YungDro

M4 GTS is a weapon every car enthusiast I know loves it just reviewers dont understand the M4 GTS. It will compete with the upcoming C63 R. not the AMG GTR and 911 GT3 RS its not even about price point.

Not sure that many people will be willing to publicly admit they spent $130k+ on the wrong car

Or it's not the wrong car for them because their goal was to get "best bmw" not "best factory track car"

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by FrenchBoy

The problem with the M4 GTS is not the performance. It's the price. Because of its over-inflated price for what it is, it competes against much better and focused machines.

It should have been $100K and not limited production.

this is exactly how I feel. granted - years down the road maybe they'll hold their value well for other enthusiasts who want a limited production car.

I will say that a GT3RS probably hasn't gone for much less than $200k so not really a fair price point comparison and I have no idea how much the AMG GTR is going for but I bet at least $50k more than the M4GTS?

regardless of these comparisons, Harris seems to be disappointed in the M4GTS even compared to the M3 which is what I find really interesting. Makes me miss my M3s and I think I need to get another M3 saloon asap.

[c63er]

To counter some of the never ending hyper car talk. Bmw doesn't need a hyper car. Bmw really has only had two of those as their halo cars, and one of them is by extension of the engine (Mclaren f1).

BMW is well known for making regular cars as fun as a supercar. So if bmw would actually stick to what made them bmw they would be ok. Problem with the gts is that it's basicly a marketing exercise. You can easily identify which demographic they are going for with the car and see how everything from gaudy clashing orange colors to a focus on the "I'm cooler then you, my vtec kicked in yo" turbos. And of course more wings and spolers, that's what really counts.

If bmw would stop being so scared of marketing and selling x number of units and focus on making a good product in the segment we the fans would take care of the rest, as we always done.

As these variants continue to be marketing excercises to different degrees of extreme don't expect much of a comparison against the serious metal out there.

Chris Harris knows what he's talking about and what he's doing.

[BklynNYBMW]

BMW made this for the Fast and Furious fans with alot of disposable income.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by BklynNYBMW

BMW made this for the Fast and Furious fans with alot of disposable income.