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      02-12-2020, 07:10 PM   #1057
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I think its a nice rebuttal for those who instantly jumped to the notion that the taycan has a terrible driving range. Its pretty much the same as the tesla when you compare them at real world speeds. although why this is i'm not sure. the Porsche has a two speed transmission, but that 1st gear is only for launches, otherwise its always in top gear.

I agree EPA tests are misleading... nobody does 60mph on the highway around here. Its at least 70-80mph. I've found I always have to knock about 5-6 mpg off the hwy rating on the window sticker.
My GUESS is that at slow speeds, the Tesla software is better at managing the motors' power draw (making the tesla more efficient in the slower EPA test) while the Taycan 2 speed gearbox lets the motors stay in the efficient part of its power band at higher road speeds (making the taycan efficiency similar at the EPA speeds and the higher MT speed)

So, I've had to discuss EVs with many non EV people for almost 3 years now, and the reality is that even 80 miles range EV is fine for most people as a commuter, and everyone just can't get over the typical desire to plan for the rare 1-2 times per year event (i.e. annual road trip). When the longer ranges come into play during the road trips, what most don't realize is that it is more about the charging infrastructure than anything
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      02-14-2020, 11:36 AM   #1058
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Doesn’t FBO N55 make less whp than stock F80?

Sorry I’m so jaded but it’s hard for me to get excited about a roll race with a relatively weak car like that
About 15 hp less than a stock m3. Point was it wasnt even close.

I did a race a gt2rs from 70. We hung together for about 2 seconds.
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      02-14-2020, 03:08 PM   #1059
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About 15 hp less than a stock m3. Point was it wasnt even close.

I did a race a gt2rs from 70. We hung together for about 2 seconds.
Nice. Thatís longer that I would have guessed. Expected a 2RS to immediately blow the doors off a model 3P (139mph vs 116mph traps)
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Being fast is cool but the car has to look good doing it. I just can't get over the looks of a 3p.
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      02-14-2020, 08:44 PM   #1062
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Nice. Rs6 walked the model 3 cleanly right from the dig.

Great acceleration despite being 4600lb
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      02-18-2020, 05:01 PM   #1063
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      02-18-2020, 05:44 PM   #1064
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Guys one thing we havenít discussed at all is charging. I have started to use the model 3 for longer days of driving to see clients or show visitors around and itís definitely required planning.

Here in norcal, the SC are pretty full a decent amount of the time, and I have the stock SAE J1772 adapter for L2 charging at home and elsewhere, and I purchased a $450 CHaDeMo adapter to give another DC charging option (33-50kw per hr).

Not to mention I have 4 different charging network membership cards in the car.

Once you move away from the ďcharge at homeĒ use case, you really need to give charging a level of thought that just isnít even a factor for gassers (unless you are doing something on standard like running a 100 octane tune in the street).

Just wanted to toss that in there, since I havenít seen that discussed in most reviews. Itís just kind of glossed over before going back to talking about pulls from a dig or low roll.
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      02-19-2020, 09:16 AM   #1065
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Guys one thing we havenít discussed at all is charging. I have started to use the model 3 for longer days of driving to see clients or show visitors around and itís definitely required planning...
Out of curiosity, at what SOC do you start each of these days, and typically at what SOC do you start to look for recharge options?

I've commuted and done long trips in mine, but have only done one "local" day that required recharging, which I accomplished by planning our lunch at a place with destination charging.
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Out of curiosity, at what SOC do you start each of these days, and typically at what SOC do you start to look for recharge options?

I've commuted and done long trips in mine, but have only done one "local" day that required recharging, which I accomplished by planning our lunch at a place with destination charging.
I start at 90% SoC and definitely plan for charging around 10-20%.

A good example is 150 mi round trip to take guests around to Napa Valley from my home, then 60 mi round trip to the city for dinner, and some driving around town in between. Thatís pretty close to the 240mi range I get (285wh/mi average consumption), so Iím definitely looking to recharge sometime that day so Iím not returning home with 5% SoC.
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I start at 90% SoC and definitely plan for charging around 10-20%.

A good example is 150 mi round trip to take guests around to Napa Valley from my home, then 60 mi round trip to the city for dinner, and some driving around town in between. Thatís pretty close to the 240mi range I get (285wh/mi average consumption), so Iím definitely looking to recharge sometime that day so Iím not returning home with 5% SoC.
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When I know I have a long drive in front of me, I'll charge to 95% or even 100%, and I've returned home a couple of times between 5 and 10%.

I charge to 85% normally, and rarely go below about 25%.
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Appreciate the details.

When I know I have a long drive in front of me, I'll charge to 95% or even 100%, and I've returned home a couple of times between 5 and 10%.

I charge to 85% normally, and rarely go below about 25%.
You too are a few more miles away from needing lots of charge station cards and charger adapters
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You too are a few more miles away from needing lots of charge station cards and charger adapters
Itís telling that in 15K miles and 14 months Iíve only needed non-Supercharging/away from home charging once.
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When I know I have a long drive in front of me, I'll charge to 95% or even 100%, and I've returned home a couple of times between 5 and 10%.

I charge to 85% normally, and rarely go below about 25%.
Why wouldnt you charge to 100 on these days? The only downside of charging to 100% is the loss of Regen braking. Other than that the battery isnt being worn out any faster since 100% is technically not 100% with the buffer it has built in.
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Why wouldnt you charge to 100 on these days? The only downside of charging to 100% is the loss of Regen braking. Other than that the battery isnt being worn out any faster since 100% is technically not 100% with the buffer it has built in.
My impression after reading quite a bit on the topic is that it's better for battery longevity if the SOC is kept between 20 and 80-85%.

My 70-mile round-trip commute gives me no real reason/need to charge any further.
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Itís telling that in 15K miles and 14 months Iíve only needed non-Supercharging/away from home charging once.
Itís a good for your usage pattern and driving style.

My car has 220mi effective range before I need to hit up an SC, based on the hilly freeways, driving 70+ etc, and I definitely notice it more than once in 14 months.

YMMV as they say
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