Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[ByeFelicia]

Originally Posted by pbar

BMW should simply own up to the fact that ///M now stands for ///Marketing.

Came here just to say that. Spot on.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

We all know the Cadillac will not sell in large numbers. The German's have brand prestige that Cadillac once had but now lacks (other than the Escalade). BMW could make an M3/4 with a 3-cylinder engine and 150hp and the badge whores would still eat it up. That being said, I'm not shopping for a badge. I would buy a Kia Stinger if they made a high-performance variant. I simply just want an M3-like experience from anyone who will offer it.

So far, for me at least, the Caddy's look like a good choice. The dealers for Caddy are good in my area, the car's while not beautiful, are not unattractive like the G8X's, the biggest issue in the prior gen was the technology (CUE) and interior which has been replaced for a much more reliable and intuitive infotainment system, and more upscale materials. While Merino leather won't be available and it may not be as nice as the Germans, the V products usually do have a nice mix of Alcántara and leather, the Recaro's in the previous ATS-V I drove were fantastically comfortable and supportive, and the driving experience was excellent with great handling, steering feel, and a comfortable but buttoned down Magneride suspension, and they are usually cheaper than their direct rivals (at least by MSRP).

So far, the Blackwings are my #1 choice in cars to look for next, and the C63 is second. Alfa is there but of course, reliability is a fear.

Either way, I excitedly await for Blackwing news and hope for the best for Cadillac.

It's good to have another player in the market but I want GM to prove they are comitted over the long term and they stand behind their product. Alfa failed and they had good concept for new models. GM has a loooong way to go. The tread link below is an example of their clueless customer service.


It's been *so long* since I've seen my Corvette https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1720783

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

It's good to have another player in the market but I want GM to prove they are comitted over the long term and they stand behind their product. Alfa failed and they had good concept for new models. GM has a loooong way to go. The tread link below is an example of their clueless customer service.


It's been *so long* since I've seen my Corvette https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1720783

Every brand has its issues. I've seen countless threads/articles (not just on this forum) and know people who have suffered from terrible corporate treatment whether it either Mercedes, BMW, Audi, JLR or Ford, etc. GM is not an outlier I would say.

My own brother has had nasty legal battle with BMW corporate. Sadly some people get the s*** end of the stick, and some don't.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Every brand has its issues. I've seen countless threads/articles (not just on this forum) and know people who have suffered from terrible corporate treatment whether it either Mercedes, BMW, Audi, JLR or Ford, etc. GM is not an outlier I would say.

My own brother has had nasty legal battle with BMW corporate. Sadly some people get the s*** end of the stick, and some don't.

I don’t think it’s that vanilla. There is only room for one at the top, and one at the bottom. I don’t think gm does what it takes rise above their terrible brand. They aren’t the ones holding down the top spot and it isn’t as Willy nilly as you describe. There are functional items they can do/change to get there and it’s no secret. Love the product if you will, but the people have and will continue to speak.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

I don't think it's that vanilla. There is only room for one at the top, and one at the bottom. I don't think gm does what it takes rise above their terrible brand. They aren't the ones holding down the top spot and it isn't as Willy nilly as you describe. There are functional items they can do/change to get there and it's no secret. Love the product if you will, but the people have and will continue to speak.

I'm not saying they won't speak, nor that they should silence themselves, there is no excuse for poor corporate handling, but to point out one singular thread on this forum and use it as a basis for the entire brand's customer service doesn't deter me. I'm no GM lover, I dislike a lot of their products and decisions and they make mistakes, but the experience of poor corporate handling is not just singular to GM, it can happen regardless of brand even if a brand's reputation is very high, and every person's case experience will be different whether positive or negative.

[stein_325i]

Some great insights from Throttle House at the 7:25 mark.

"As far as we know, its not just downhill from here, its a plummeting chasm of despair."

[GERMAN M3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Some great insights from Throttle House at the 7:25 mark.

"As far as we know, its not just downhill from here, its a plummeting chasm of despair."

Taking it a step further....And I quote “ I don’t want to say this is peak BMW, but this might actually be peak BMW.”

And I would have to agree with that statement! Well said....

[Mavus]

Starting now and over the next couple of years it is time to buy whatever M model you like and keep it. These machines were designed by M team that had different philosophy from the current posers running the show. I am doing exactly that.

[CT_M3]

Already got one. Maybe M2 next? I need more garage space!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

Already got one. Maybe M2 next? I need more garage space!

Im seriously considering grabbing an M2 comp as the covid prices start to deflate. I expect with the vaccine news itll be a couple more months at most.

M2 CS seems great but I agree with them the interior doesnt fit the price tag.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Im seriously considering grabbing an M2 comp as the covid prices start to deflate. I expect with the vaccine news itll be a couple more months at most.

M2 CS seems great but I agree with them the interior doesnt fit the price tag.

M2c is the sweet spot

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Im seriously considering grabbing an M2 comp as the covid prices start to deflate. I expect with the vaccine news itll be a couple more months at most.

M2 CS seems great but I agree with them the interior doesnt fit the price tag.

agree with Yoda m2c is the seeet spot. there is no 2 series worth $80k. The interior does feel plasticky. Even Chris H bought m2c.

It also needs more camber in front, ap front calipers and lighter 18" wheels.

[stein_325i]

BMW's marketing department is on a roll lately...

[swagon]

Hahaha, that's funny. Probably not what they expected.

I intend to keep the F80 as long as I can, whatever it takes to keep it on the road. Too much sentimental value in the car already.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by dmk08

M2 CS seems great but I agree with them the interior doesnt fit the price tag.

You buy it for the engineering and driving experience. Want leather dash? Look elsewhere. And the interior of the F22/F87 is honestly not so bad at all.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by swagon

You buy it for the engineering and driving experience. Want leather dash? Look elsewhere. And the interior of the F22/F87 is honestly not so bad at all.

The base M2 interior is pretty horrible with Dakota leather.

I know you buy the M2 for the driving experience etc. The CS is still overpriced. Ill take a Porsche in that range but to each their own.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

If the previous CTS-V and ATS-V are anything to go by, the chassis will be excellent. The biggest issue with those cars was the interior and tech, which are getting major upgrades for this generation.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...al-shift-knob/

$85k undercuts the M5 by ~$18k and offers 3 pedals. Will that be enough to be competitive with sales for this generation??

[minn19]

I love the Darth Daddy comment.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by No Boost

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...al-shift-knob/

$85k undercuts the M5 by ~$18k and offers 3 pedals. Will that be enough to be competitive with sales for this generation??

The sales will definitely not be high. But the more options the better.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by minn19

I love the Darth Daddy comment.

That one was definitely one of the best, I also loved the photos of the 5er wagon burning and then requiring a tow

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by minn19

I love the Darth Daddy comment.

This new one also has me dying.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by dmk08

The base M2 interior is pretty horrible with Dakota leather.

I know you buy the M2 for the driving experience etc. The CS is still overpriced. Ill take a Porsche in that range but to each their own.

That was my thought process when considering the CS vs the Cayman.

But, I’m guessing by next year at this time the M2 CS will have large discounts and that won’t be as big a factor.

It is a great alternative to Porsche though if you need back seats and I’m sure a riot to drive. The reviews I’ve read/watched though still say BMW can’t get the road suspension tuning right.

I’ve never really considered interior/cost for some reason on my fun cars. More concerned with the drive/performance etc. I actually don’t think the M2 CS is that bad. Like you said, both the C and CS are much better than the base ones. Still weird BMW deletes the arm rest in the M2 CS. FWIW, my Cayman has the GTS interior package and while it is nice, I’m not sure it is worthy of the 100k sticker either. Fit and finish is impeccable though.