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      09-18-2014, 10:33 AM   #23
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And I would quibble with handling at 8/10. Definitely a 9/10 for me. Brakes also 9/10. And gearbox -- at least a 8/10 (although I have a manual; at a minimum having the choice of two outstanding trannies should warrant a plus). OTOH, exterior could be a 8/10.

While I'm bitching, I would also change the point system. Sound should be five points, and a new category "function" (how well does car accomplish the goals for its niche) five points.

I would award 3/5 for sound, 5/5 for function. My total would be 83, which seems harsh for such a fantastic car, but way more reasonable than 79/100.
If you give the F8x manual an 8/10 just out of curiosity what would you give the E9x manual? I have not driven the F8x yet but my order is manual. Hoping it's at least 3-4 tenths better
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If you give the F8x manual an 8/10 just out of curiosity what would you give the E9x manual? I have not driven the F8x yet but my order is manual. Hoping it's at least 3-4 tenths better
I personally give the e9x 6mt a 6.5-7/10 and the f8x an 8/10. From my test drive the m4 felt like a better shifting car, but I've never had issues with the feel of my e9x shifter; occasional notch-i-ness but once I figured out how to shift it properly I've enjoyed it thoroughly.

I like the clutch better on the f8x and the throws were smoother with a little shorter of a throw.. I'm going 6mt if I order an F80 m3.
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      09-18-2014, 10:54 AM   #25
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hows tranny a 7/10? you get the option of a manual and in terms of auto transmissions, this current DCT is better than any of the competitors transmissions (RS5, C63, e92 M3...etc). I guess if you compare it to Porsche's PDK then it might not beat that but its pretty damn good

ditto what people said here about reviewing the ceramics...it seemed like his main gripe was the cost. he kind of failed to realized that most people aren't getting ceramics. if you are getting ceramic brakes then you personally value them 10/10 if its worth spending 8k on. and if you arent, why review the cost aspect in making the decision to rate them. maybe they still are an 8/10 but not for the reasons he stated. 9/10 here for me, especially compared to the previous M3's brakes

handling and comfort are def 9/10 or even 10/10 for me. it feels so smooth in comfort mode and i'm sure if we put on econo tires or something more comfortable, and if the car didn't have as much road and wind noise, it would be up there with a luxury sedan in terms of road feel. then when you throw it into sport mode, it feels so planted and stable. the only thing is theres so much power that even with the electronic diff thats in it, i cant seem to put any power down coming out of corners

overall kind of wacky review not a fan of it
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      09-18-2014, 11:00 AM   #26
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i think an F150 with the same features as my car comes in over 55k. yeah i think its a good value unless you buy it for a work truck...then i guess it would suck. back seats do fold down though
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      09-18-2014, 11:11 AM   #27
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Agree on the 6.5 - 7 /10 for the E90 tranny, after CDV and short shift and M knob.
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      09-18-2014, 11:34 AM   #28
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I think some of you are looking at the score of 79 and saying "This car is much better than a C+". It is. but you have to look at how they give these numbers out. Its not a A-F scale, its a number.

Here are some comparable reviews Jalopnik has done with the same scoring system:

M3 - 79
Aston Martin Vantage: 82
Camero SS 1LE: 71
Accord Hybrid: 67
Maserati Ghibli: 73
Hyundai Equus: 64
WRX STi: 76
BMW 1M Dinan: 67 (WTF?)
918 Spyder: 91 (well deserved)

Here is the top 10 leaderboard for reference.

http://jalopnik.com/the-jalopnik-rev...ard-1518349631

Edit: Other cars with the exact score of 79: Cayman S, GTR, M6.
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Read the sig. I'm 47 and getting stage 2+ Vargas 600+ hp/tq setup. I built it specifically to be an M car killer. Should be in the 10s when finished.
And reading your signature, you have more invested that a new M costs - to beat an M?
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      09-18-2014, 12:35 PM   #30
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I think some of you are looking at the score of 79 and saying "This car is much better than a C+". It is. but you have to look at how they give these numbers out. Its not a A-F scale, its a number.

Here are some comparable reviews Jalopnik has done with the same scoring system:

M3 - 79
Aston Martin Vantage: 82
Camero SS 1LE: 71
Accord Hybrid: 67
Maserati Ghibli: 73
Hyundai Equus: 64
WRX STi: 76
BMW 1M Dinan: 67 (WTF?)
918 Spyder: 91 (well deserved)

Here is the top 10 leaderboard for reference.

http://jalopnik.com/the-jalopnik-rev...ard-1518349631

Edit: Other cars with the exact score of 79: Cayman S, GTR, M6.
That is a helpful addition to this debate.

I wasn't too fussed by the overall score (figuring that they probably were pretty low on the grading - which you have now confirmed) but would still quibble on a few of their particular choices (sound and value, as I posted above)

Really, the problem with grading an item on a 10 point or 5 point scale is it loses a lot of the subtly when it gets all added up. Is the steering closer to an 8 or a 9? Is 8 fair? is 8.5 better?

BUT knowing how it ranks on the whole against other cars (who also suffer the same 'smoothing' of having numbers rounded to the nearest 10%) does make for a useful comparison.

edit: 2012 C63 gets a 71. The AMG E63 wagon (which I long time) gets a 74.

the 2014 GT-R gets a 79 too.

the 79 overall is actually a very good score. Just outside of top 10.
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I'd say it's worth the read...enjoy!

http://jalopnik.com/2015-bmw-m3-the-...iew-1635342844



Personally, I am obsessed with this car. If I was to buy either the M3 or M4, I'd absolutely go with the 4-door variant, knowing we're planning on starting a family in the next year or so.

Thoughts on either??

Can't wait to see the M2....
As a family hauler the M3 is really an amazing option. There's just nothing that Audi, MB or Caddy does that would make me go into their dealership over BMW's if i'm looking at this type of family and performance package.
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Oh man.. If only I could get my hands on a beefed up 335i.. I would cancel my order today.
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This Audi point is interesting. When they did the daytime LED's on the R8, everyone copied...except BMW. The guys in Munich just expanded on the angel eyes and incorporated LED there without a hint of copying Audi.

Mercedes on the other hand did a direct copy, and sloppy one at that. The E-Class daytime LED's look like a pep boys discount special.
What car makes have done to copy the Audi "eyeliner" look is disgraceful. Straight up rip off and now even SUV's have them. I give BMW a lot of credit for not following the crowd with that crap.
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I am biased, lets get that out of the way up front.

But the way the kids at Jalopnik are talking about these fender flares...I just don't get it. I went to the Detroit show last January to see the M twins in person. I didnt know at the time I would be buying one, just wanted to check out the worlds best show.

I remember every single angle of the M4 coupe, took multiple pictures, and did my best to sneak a peek at the interior. The M3 in YMB was literally 15 ft away. I couldn't tell you what color the wheels were on that car.

Its not that I dont love the M3, its a fantastic car. But 50% of the comments on that post mentioned the flares. The M3 is a great car because you can drop the kids off at school, have a business lunch with a client, then track that baby on the way home.

You drive a QX56?

I think we can safely discard your opinions, your taste is just awful.

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Im coming from an e92 and have no kids. Could have gotten m3 or m4. I like the M3 much better too. Just opinions man .
I am in the same boat except e90 not e92. No kids. 4 doors more wh*res . You can easily pack 4 in the rear seats given there's a middle seat in the M3. Granted I don't recommend that but still. It's just easier to pop open a door than it is having a driver or passenger get out and tilting a seat forward. And I personally prefer the looks of the M3. It had a more aggressive look when I saw the two in person prior to ordering a car.
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      09-18-2014, 03:00 PM   #36
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You drive a QX56?

I think we can safely discard your opinions, your taste is just awful.

But I chose SO just like you did?

The QX is...um...polarizing. I've loved it since they came out in 2011. I'm more on the bionic Rhino team than the Beluga whale one, but yes the car elicits various and wide-ranging opinions. Step inside and most would agree it has an outstanding interior and is a good option for people that need three rows and size (the arms race in Texas regarding SUV"s is off the charts). I would have traded it in after only 1.5 years, but the wife loves it and it's her weekend car. She has a horrendous Ford Escape company car, don't even get me started on that one.

Dealing with Infiniti dealerships on the other hand? Im getting what I deserve.
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This is not a "Tuned 335 vs. M3/M4" thread. Let's keep it that way.

We have a specific sub-forum for such discussions. Thanks.
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in my eyes E90 M3 was looking more aggressive than the E92 M3. Same again the sedans looks more aggressive than the coupe.
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in my eyes E90 M3 was looking more aggressive than the E92 M3. Same again the sedans looks more aggressive than the coupe.
I think I would agree with this statement.
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