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Not exactly an accurate take on the facts there Hammond! Anyways, there is always controversy and JC would have been up for Pope with this crowd if he gushed all over it.
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I think you are contradicting your own self by telling us in your own words that he said the old car is better and than later said the new car is marvelous.
Maybe you need to read with comprehension New car is not better than the old one yet is still quiet marvelous
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AFRs are usually lower with forced induction cars at flame front propagation is most rapid around the low 12s. During the 90's Supras, Skylines, RX7s, 300zx's, Silvias, MR2s, Typhoons, Grand Nations all had turbos and fuel was cheap. They dominated over their naturally aspirated counter parts. |
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Let me solve this question once and for all.
If you drive a E92 M, he clearly states the older one is better. If you drive a F82, he clearly stated the newer one is better. |
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It's hard when all the dealers around here ordered black and yellow ones. They must be just as afraid of all the light blue colors as I am.
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(actually, what was interesting is that the local 'ship generally doesnt allow test drives of their ///M cars. Period. Don't want the miles/depreciation or people shit bagging them (as many on here confess to doing). If the demand is there that they can still sell them without test drives, I understand the logic. Anyway, using my incredible powers of rational argument and persuassion ("Pleeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaseeee? Aw, come ON man.....") I sugar talked my way into a little spin-ee-poo.) |
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(though, for the sake of intellectual honesty, I don't think he said either. he just said the new car was great, if not styled to his liking. he didnt actually come to a conclusion on whether was better or not than the old model) |
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The dealers definitely deserve blame here. When I was looking to find a SO in Texas, there was 6 BMW dealerships in my vicinity. Not one of them had a SO to look at, new or used. And this was between M3/4/5/6. Just an ocean of white, black and grey.
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I have seen the colors in person, the two launch colors are atrocious. Sakhir Orange is okay but probably not at the expense of a proper red color. Then you're left with two shades of white, two shades of grey and black. At least the 4 individual colors are pretty decent and not the full $5K, and even standard in Canada... hopefully that trend will spread to the rest of North America. Quote:
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This - there's no doubt that BMW and MB would both have V8s in their motorsport-derived cars.
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Its simple they ARE draw back to turbos, and there is more to engines than torque. This is a very hard concept for people to understand, specially the turbo guys. A lot of these exotic cars like Ferrari V8 and V12 are not torque monster, yet they are highly loved engines. Because of the sound and high revving raw power nature of them. There is a reason that we have a group of people who prefer the GT3 engine over the 911 turbo engine. there is a reason why so many people hate the new turbo engines in F1 racing. If power was the number number focus for everyone, no one would want a N/A engine. But that is simply not the case. |
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I have and understand clearly that the new car is marvelous while not being as good as the old car. You might need to re-read it again....really to figure that out not me.
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You don't know your BMW history very well. BMW has a history with turbos back to the late 1960s for street cars, concept cars and race cars.
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i am talking about there top of the line performance engine. |
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