The Jeremy Clarkson BMW M4 Review

[G80indy]

Originally Posted by myzmak

Loves it.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/mo...anages-3725985

"That, and the fact the M4 is 80kg lighter than the old car, means it does 0-62mph in 4.1sec. In other words, just over a second faster "

Not exactly an accurate take on the facts there Hammond!
Anyways, there is always controversy and JC would have been up for Pope with this crowd if he gushed all over it.

[Kayani_1]

I think you are contradicting your own self by telling us in your own words that he said the old car is better and than later said the new car is marvelous.

Maybe you need to read with comprehension

New car is not better than the old one yet is still quiet marvelous

Originally Posted by myzmak

I agree, that could be the case, but if it is the case, Clarkson didn't say it.

[svc0x80]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

The only reason why turbos are the future is because its the way he have to go, there is not really a choice in the matter.

Lets be honest. if emissions and MPG were not a concern, better believe you would see less turbo engines.

Forced induction is king when it comes to making big torque.

AFRs are usually lower with forced induction cars at flame front propagation is most rapid around the low 12s.

During the 90's Supras, Skylines, RX7s, 300zx's, Silvias, MR2s, Typhoons, Grand Nations all had turbos and fuel was cheap. They dominated over their naturally aspirated counter parts.

[Damasconian]

Let me solve this question once and for all.

If you drive a E92 M, he clearly states the older one is better.

If you drive a F82, he clearly stated the newer one is better.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

Let me solve this question once and for all.

If you drive a E92 M, he clearly states the older one is better.

If you drive a F82, he clearly stated the newer one is better.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by Audio Fan

He's wrong about the colors. There are numerous great choices. If you aren't happy with the pallet, you haven't seen them in person. They are awesome. Quit bitching about the colors, step away from the internet, check them out, and find a new quibble.

It's hard when all the dealers around here ordered black and yellow ones. They must be just as afraid of all the light blue colors as I am.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

I think you are contradicting your own self by telling us in your own words that he said the old car is better and than later said the new car is marvelous.

Maybe you need to read with comprehension

New car is not better than the old one yet is still quiet marvelous

No, really, you need to read all the words, not just the ones you think are important as I didnt say that and neither did he.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by 330indy

"That, and the fact the M4 is 80kg lighter than the old car, means it does 0-62mph in 4.1sec. In other words, just over a second faster "

Not exactly an accurate take on the facts there Hammond!
Anyways, there is always controversy and JC would have been up for Pope with this crowd if he gushed all over it.

Those are the numbers in the press release packages (which all the journos used - nobody, in first drives, was putting it on a scale and vs the original stated accel of the e90 that is about right. I know people weighed E90s lighter and got better speeds, but using 'house numbers' those are accurate).

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by M4TW

Do yourself a favor and don't. Reading between the lines of the Clarkson review the car is bound to be uninspiring, underwhelming and insipid. There's no chance of you walking away so enthralled that you would need saintly self-discipline not to buy it on the spot. Of course ... if you thought that ...

... you'd be wrong.

[cut to scene]myzmak ripping the car sideways around a track in slow mo with a big idiot grin on his face [/cut to scene]

have fun on the test drive.

It will be the greatest test drive..................in the world.

(actually, what was interesting is that the local 'ship generally doesnt allow test drives of their ///M cars. Period. Don't want the miles/depreciation or people shit bagging them (as many on here confess to doing). If the demand is there that they can still sell them without test drives, I understand the logic. Anyway, using my incredible powers of rational argument and persuassion ("Pleeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaseeee? Aw, come ON man.....") I sugar talked my way into a little spin-ee-poo.)

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

Let me solve this question once and for all.

If you drive a E92 M, he clearly states the older one is better.

If you drive a F82, he clearly stated the newer one is better.

sounds about right.

(though, for the sake of intellectual honesty, I don't think he said either. he just said the new car was great, if not styled to his liking. he didnt actually come to a conclusion on whether was better or not than the old model)

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by WillInDenver

It's hard when all the dealers around here ordered black and yellow ones. They must be just as afraid of all the light blue colors as I am.

The dealers definitely deserve blame here. When I was looking to find a SO in Texas, there was 6 BMW dealerships in my vicinity. Not one of them had a SO to look at, new or used. And this was between M3/4/5/6. Just an ocean of white, black and grey.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by Audio Fan

He's wrong about the colors. There are numerous great choices. If you aren't happy with the pallet, you haven't seen them in person. They are awesome. Quit bitching about the colors, step away from the internet, check them out, and find a new quibble.

Ah, we have another faultless arbiter!

I have seen the colors in person, the two launch colors are atrocious. Sakhir Orange is okay but probably not at the expense of a proper red color. Then you're left with two shades of white, two shades of grey and black.

At least the 4 individual colors are pretty decent and not the full $5K, and even standard in Canada... hopefully that trend will spread to the rest of North America.

Originally Posted by myzmak

Those are the numbers in the press release packages (which all the journos used - nobody, in first drives, was putting it on a scale and vs the original stated accel of the e90 that is about right. I know people weighed E90s lighter and got better speeds, but using 'house numbers' those are accurate).

The stated acceleration for the E9X is 0-60 in 5.2+ seconds? Why did I buy this slow piece of shit?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

The only reason why turbos are the future is because its the way he have to go, there is not really a choice in the matter.

Lets be honest. if emissions and MPG were not a concern, better believe you would see less turbo engines.

This - there's no doubt that BMW and MB would both have V8s in their motorsport-derived cars.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by svc0x80

Forced induction is king when it comes to making big torque.

AFRs are usually lower with forced induction cars at flame front propagation is most rapid around the low 12s.

During the 90's Supras, Skylines, RX7s, 300zx's, Silvias, MR2s, Typhoons, Grand Nations all had turbos and fuel was cheap. They dominated over their naturally aspirated counter parts.

You have told me and everyone else here what we all already know. Turbos can make big power. Yet why did BMW and a lot of other brands not make turbos until now ?

Its simple they ARE draw back to turbos, and there is more to engines than torque. This is a very hard concept for people to understand, specially the turbo guys.

A lot of these exotic cars like Ferrari V8 and V12 are not torque monster, yet they are highly loved engines. Because of the sound and high revving raw power nature of them. There is a reason that we have a group of people who prefer the GT3 engine over the 911 turbo engine. there is a reason why so many people hate the new turbo engines in F1 racing.

If power was the number number focus for everyone, no one would want a N/A engine. But that is simply not the case.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

This - there's no doubt that BMW and MB would both have V8s in their motorsport-derived cars.

Well, BMW's successful motorsport cars ARE running V8s, including the new M4 DTM car.

[AustinYellowMakesMeHard]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

You have told me and everyone else here what we all already know. Turbos can make big power. Yet why did BMW and a lot of other brands not make turbos until now ?

Its simple they ARE draw back to turbos, and there is more to engines than torque. This is a very hard concept for people to understand, specially the turbo guys.

A lot of these exotic cars like Ferrari V8 and V12 are not torque monster, yet they are highly loved engines. Because of the sound and high revving raw power nature of them. There is a reason that we have a group of people who prefer the GT3 engine over the 911 turbo engine.

If power was the number number focus for everyone, no one would want a N/A engine. But that is simply not the case.

Great point. Turbo engines provide you with more accessible power but lack the (pardon me for the clichéd words) "soul", noise and the drama of a great NA engine. I like the new M4 but I prefer the s65 over the s55.

[Audio Fan]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

Ah, we have another faultless arbiter!

I have seen the colors in person, the two launch colors are atrocious. Sakhir Orange is okay but probably not at the expense of a proper red color. Then you're left with two shades of white, two shades of grey and black.

At least the 4 individual colors are pretty decent and not the full $5K, and even standard in Canada... hopefully that trend will spread to the rest of North America.

The stated acceleration for the E9X is 0-60 in 5.2+ seconds? Why did I buy this slow piece of shit?

Not a faultless arbiter, just a bit more accepting of change I guess. I personally think these cars would look weird in Imola red, as much as I liked it in the day, or an old school blue metallic. If you have such an aversion to all of the colors, you may be in the small minority of people that BMW isn't trying to make happy. Most of the people that I've been around when they see the colors (SO, AY, YMB) are pretty stoked about at least one or two of them, if not all of them.

[Kayani_1]

I have and understand clearly that the new car is marvelous while not being as good as the old car. You might need to re-read it again....really to figure that out not me.

Originally Posted by myzmak

No, really, you need to read all the words, not just the ones you think are important as I didnt say that and neither did he.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

I have and understand clearly that the new car is marvelous while not being as good as the old car. You might need to re-read it again....really to figure that out not me.

Give. It. Up.

Saying that repeatedly does not make it so.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by myzmak

Give. It. Up.

Saying that repeatedly does not make it so.

There's no place like home; there's no place like home; there's no place like home .....

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

You have told me and everyone else here what we all already know. Turbos can make big power. Yet why did BMW and a lot of other brands not make turbos until now ?

You don't know your BMW history very well. BMW has a history with turbos back to the late 1960s for street cars, concept cars and race cars.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by gmcconn535

You don't know your BMW history very well. BMW has a history with turbos back to the late 1960s for street cars, concept cars and race cars.

come on man, you really think i dont know BMW has been making trubo engines for years now ?

i am talking about there top of the line performance engine.