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      10-12-2019, 06:19 AM   #221
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You aren't the only one. Lots of people will like the car.
And a lot of people will not.
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I'm hoping that with this risk assessment comes decent lease residuals and low finance rates (...like when BMW's expectations for the E90 ///M3 fell short and they adjusted residuals and started offering 0.9% financing through BMWFS, which many - including me - took advantage of).
And permit early lease terminations.
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This design won't sell well and they will change it. Remember Acura's giant tooth grill? They changed that quickly. Or Mazda's giant smile front end? Another flop....
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Consumers will vote with their wallets. My vote will be NO.
I always wonder why people say things like this. Who cares? Certainly not BMW as sales have been good this year outselling MB in September. In the consumer world you don't really matter as an individual as there's always a lineup of people that will take your place purchasing the product. Your NO vote isn't hurting BMW.
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Consumers will vote with their wallets. My vote will be NO.
I always wonder why people say things like this. Who cares? Certainly not BMW as sales have been good this year outselling MB in September. In the consumer world you don't really matter as an individual as there's always a lineup of people that will take your place purchasing the product. Your NO vote isn't hurting BMW.
You actually have to wait till the large grill design cars are available, at that point then compare sales numbers. The current sales numbers are not even relevant to what he's saying.
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The new Toyota Mirai lol looks like they collaborated with Adrian lol
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Adrian is a complete ass. But even more worrying is that the entire board of directors believes his crap!

Just saw the Topgear review of the M135i and Ollie Kew hits the nail when he states "The ugliest hot hatch of all time. It's hideous, but then almost all BMWs are these days".

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Adrian is a complete ass. But even more worrying is that the entire board of directors believes his crap!

Just saw the Topgear review of the M135i and Ollie Kew hits the nail when he states "The ugliest hot hatch of all time. It's hideous, but then almost all BMWs are these days".

If you have better ideas, then apply for his job.

See how many chair quarter back designers and keyboard warriors in this forum would actually walk the walk...:
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There is also the Camaro redesign that happened less than a year into the new model. If I remember correctly it also had a horrid, cavernous maw.
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Because we just can’t stand still and keep refining like say a 911.
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I think it looks pretty good. I guess I'm in the minority. But I like progressive design and felt BMWs we're getting a little stale. This is a nice jolt of excitement. Then again I liked the bangle butt, love the e60 M5, and drive an M coupe. So maybe I'm biased. Need to see it in person on the new 4 series to get a proper look. Photos can be deceiving.
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They should have changed the designer and not the design.
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Adrian is a complete ass. But even more worrying is that the entire board of directors believes his crap!

Just saw the Topgear review of the M135i and Ollie Kew hits the nail when he states "The ugliest hot hatch of all time. It's hideous, but then almost all BMWs are these days".

If you have better ideas, then apply for his job.

See how many chair quarter back designers and keyboard warriors in this forum would actually walk the walk...:
I'd apply! Don't speak German, but I do know ugly and this design is fluent in ugly.
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      10-12-2019, 11:54 AM   #236
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Consumers will vote with their wallets. My vote will be NO.
I always wonder why people say things like this. Who cares? Certainly not BMW as sales have been good this year outselling MB in September. In the consumer world you don't really matter as an individual as there's always a lineup of people that will take your place purchasing the product. Your NO vote isn't hurting BMW.
Let me unpack this for you bud. What you have is a text book "straw man" argument.

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.

I stated 2 facts.

1. Consumers will vote with their wallets. This is an undisputed fact. Some will buy the car and some won't.

2. I will not.

Your straw man argument states that I believe BMW cares what I do and that I matter as an individual.

It may turn out that new Frankengrille will be a sales hit. It may not. I simply stated that I will not buy the car. I did it on a car forum under a relevant topic.
Rant over.
If you don't believe that bmw cares about your opinion, then why proclaim your intentions on a public forum?
Where else am I going to say it? At Target?
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I'd apply! Don't speak German, but I do know ugly and this design is fluent in ugly.
I'am also applying... and I can speak German!

I will be more than motivated when my salary is quadruppled just to tell some BS stories.
Like an art critic that is emotionaly aroused when he sees a turd wrapped in paper and comments that he never encountered such perfect beauty before.
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Adrian is a complete ass. But even more worrying is that the entire board of directors believes his crap!

Just saw the Topgear review of the M135i and Ollie Kew hits the nail when he states "The ugliest hot hatch of all time. It's hideous, but then almost all BMWs are these days".

If you have better ideas, then apply for his job.

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I'd apply! Don't speak German, but I do know ugly and this design is fluent in ugly.
Shows is your photochop idea!
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He is tone deaf. The complaints of many of us are not that they have changed, it is that they have changed from an attractive grill to a hideous unattractive one. Change is fine...just make it attractive.
Right on- huge kidney's aren't attractive . Look at the svelt design of the 90s cars. The 528 was beautiful. Same with the 740 and 328. Z3 was rad. They were minimalistic and the elements stood out
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Adrian is a complete ass. But even more worrying is that the entire board of directors believes his crap!

Just saw the Topgear review of the M135i and Ollie Kew hits the nail when he states "The ugliest hot hatch of all time. It's hideous, but then almost all BMWs are these days".

If you have better ideas, then apply for his job.

See how many chair quarter back designers and keyboard warriors in this forum would actually walk the walk...:
I'd apply! Don't speak German, but I do know ugly and this design is fluent in ugly.
Shows is your photochop idea!
My first task as the new design head of BMW, take the current design and...


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I think it looks pretty good. I guess I'm in the minority. But I like progressive design and felt BMWs we're getting a little stale. This is a nice jolt of excitement. Then again I liked the bangle butt, love the e60 M5, and drive an M coupe. So maybe I'm biased. Need to see it in person on the new 4 series to get a proper look. Photos can be deceiving.
I agree. There is nothing stimulating in BMW dealerships right now aside from the current F8X and M2/C (...and I still don't care much for the M2's fangs or rear bumper design, but overall the car looks pretty decent). BMW needed this jolt.
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You aren't the only one. Lots of people will like the car.
And a lot of people will not.
....and luckily for that group there will be other manufacturers that supply alternative products (...and other forums for that group to rejoice in the product they chose).
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