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      12-18-2013, 10:22 PM   #45
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      12-18-2013, 10:24 PM   #46
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Well, I'm thinking about a 2016/17 M3. Maybe wait for the mid life refresh and then pull the trigger. I will not pay for an individual colour. I do like my bimmers in blue! However, YMB is a bit too light for my taste - currently have a 335 ix in EB2. Hopefully, by the time I am ready, there will be a darker blue available. Otherwise, probably go for the silverstone. I agree with the Bentley comment - M cars are about performance - not luxury!
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      12-18-2013, 10:39 PM   #47
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I thought Mineral White was already shown as a standard color

certain colors I might pay $2000 for (san marino, maybe tanzanite), but I would be really pissed if it became a standard M3/M4 color down the road
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      12-18-2013, 10:42 PM   #48
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azurite black on amaro brown with brushed trim for me please, I agree though, it bs that these are all individual colors, what does it cost?
I'm with you on azurite black on amaro brown. Great combo.
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      12-18-2013, 10:53 PM   #49
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It's pretty obvious why the standard color palette seem incomplete now.
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      12-18-2013, 10:58 PM   #50
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I guess BMW wants to charge its cars up to the Porsche's level.... step by step people will start comparing these brands as equals.... dangerous but fruitful road if it picks up...
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Needs individual lowering!
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      12-18-2013, 11:25 PM   #52
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I don't get these "individual" colors that come from a set of selections on the configurator online.

To me individual is when you are having the car painted one of a kind, not when BMW just takes a set palette of colors and says "yeah we're calling these individual and charging $2k for them even though Tom Dick and Harry might pick the same off the BMW website". A true individual color, sure they will need to track it down and stop production etc., and for that a fee is reasonable. These "individual" colors that you pick right off the website right below the regular colors are just the same as the regular colors, I'm sure they are preloaded at the factory ready to shoot just like Alpine White is.

Seems like an asinine way to price a color, there's nothing individual about them other than BMW breaks them out from the regular colors on the website, adds an "individual" header, and charges like two grand for them.
Not quite true. First, concerning the paint itself, an Individual paint not only contains a larger variety of pigments than a normal paint (visible from up close), it also has more layers. These 2 factors combine to give it a real depth increase, pretty amazing reflections and a real color amplitude according to varying lighting conditions (for instance Azurite Black is a real cameleon depending on whether it is under direct sunlight or under cloudy weather). An Individual paint also has a better outer coating to protect it.

Secondly, concerning the paint facilities, each paint requires specific robots etc. Individual paints represent a small percentage of the overall production and all in all are not as profitable to produce as, say, Sapphire Black or Glacier Silver.

And finally, you actually CAN create your own Individual paint that does not exist in the catalog (I have known a few examples), but at a price that is probably very high.

There is no doubt to me that BMW does make more cash out of an Individual paint than out of a stock paint, but not all of this premium is purely due to exclusivity, as these paints actually are deeper, better quality and cost more to produce
One thing that gets me, though, is that mineral white, an individual color to the m3/4, is a base color for the 1er and 3er.

However, the m3/4 gets sahkir orange as a base color, while the rest of the line-up only gets it as an individual color.

If you're right, the formula and painting process of these colors must be different on the m3/4 in comparison to all other BMW cars!
Mineral white is not individual on M3/4. It's listed as a standard option color.
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      12-19-2013, 12:01 AM   #53
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a little obnoxious for them to be talking individual colors at this point, particularly in light of what I consider to be an incomplete lineup of standard colors.
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The lack of colors offered seems to be strategy on BMW's part to make you pony up for individual paint.
My thoughts exactly. They don't even really have an elegant blue option, and the rest of the options seem slim also (unless you are into the standard black/white, which obviously work well). Not feeling this at all.
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      12-19-2013, 12:37 AM   #54
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Definitely not feeling the "individual" paint considering the lack of options. I am planning on the ///M3-4 because it's supposed to be a great overall vehicle. However it's not set in stone I'll get one. Kinda rubs me the wrong way with this tactic. But if people will pay, they will keep looking to make as much as they can. Which, after all, is the point of selling cars.

I for one will absolutely not pony up 2k for paint. Good thing I prefer white.
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      12-19-2013, 01:06 AM   #55
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So this is going to be a 80-90k dollar car? base of 65k? 15k options + tax and dealer mark up?
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Mineral white is not individual on M3/4. It's listed as a standard option color.
now im confused I thought mineral white was a standard color
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      12-19-2013, 02:07 AM   #57
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      12-19-2013, 02:52 AM   #59
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now im confused I thought mineral white was a standard color
You're right, it is. Or at least, Mineral White was among the colors the dealers were allowed to choose from for their initial orders.
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      12-19-2013, 02:57 AM   #60
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Standard paint lineup is not very sufficient and mw is not even an individual color in my opinion. Though azurite black is looking great on this car it still needs some more shades of blue and especially green. Wood and aluminium kill the car. Wood kills sportiness and aluminium is just looking cheap. And BMW is acting stupidly daring to call beige interior and white paint as individual. Just killing its value in my eye...
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      12-19-2013, 03:34 AM   #61
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The one fact I have seen is that those who have owned an M in the past or like sports cars that switched to a 550i or F30 are regretting the decision and have contemplated, are contemplating or have switched back to some form of an M. The experience in the S65 equipped car is very connecting and is sorely missed once gone. I know the S55 is fast but will it deliver that connection remains to be seen. No matter what kind of analyses you apply to the new car decision most of the people here end back up in a BMW.

I like azurite black and space gray but Singapore grey is pretty awesome. I think VO would look really good in this application. I remember a few years BMW of Fairfax was offering a special to repaint your car in any color they could get a hold of for 2K - should of jumped on it.

Well what other manufacturers provide better products in this particular segment? I am sorry but Audi's suck. They are bland and so easy to drive. They don't provide any tailored options. I checked out both an RS6/RS7 feels and smells just like an A4 with quilted seats. Maybe Porsche or Merc but then it just depends on what you are after.

If you hate the F8X just keep your current M3 and get something else. Merc may be too soft and the GT-R too harsh or not lux enough. Porsche drives on rails and has a sweet manual but doesn't have the room or lux for the price.

I was surprised with the top end the new 335i has. It seems to have somewhat lost the bottom end and doesn't have the mid range power the N/S63 have.

I rather have an F80 with a CFRP roof than LED tail lamps or no hood line. I wish I would have kept my E46M but I am keeping my E92M and getting the M4. Hopefully BMW expands the available color palette but don't trade your E9XM if you are going to be stretching financially to get the F8X. The S65 in money in its own right.
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      12-19-2013, 03:34 AM   #62
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So this is going to be a 80-90k dollar car? base of 65k? 15k options + tax and dealer mark up?
Robert, that's a good question to ask. I believe current E90/92 M3 starts at low $60k in the states ( rest of the world finds that extremely affordable,FYI ).
Dealers in the states are having this trend to add cca.$10k on new M cars though. So, 70-ish?!.....that kind of money in the states gets you what, like loaded C7 Corvette?
One more thing, it is those hard core loyal M guys who go to the dealers and preorder the car, and they slap them with a "tax for loyalty"?!?!?! That's a bad practice BMW, BAD!!!
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The only real worthy Individual-Option for an M3/M4 would be:

  • Individual-Sondermotorisierung S65 4.0ltr.V8 / 440PS / 435Nn......Preis EUR 5.000,--
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... would be nice to see, how often this option would be choosen
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Robert, that's a good question to ask. I believe current E90/92 M3 starts at low $60k in the states ( rest of the world finds that extremely affordable,FYI ).
Dealers in the states are having this trend to add cca.$10k on new M cars though. So, 70-ish?!.....that kind of money in the states gets you what, like loaded C7 Corvette?
One more thing, it is those hard core loyal M guys who go to the dealers and preorder the car, and they slap them with a "tax for loyalty"?!?!?! That's a bad practice BMW, BAD!!!
M3 is a highly sought after car especially in car county of Los Angeles, a 10-20k mark up is easily possible in the first year. MSRP will not likely be had for 6-12 month. Given a M5 I saw a month ago is in range of 100k before tax, it's very likely the m3 will msrp with options around 70-80k range to leave room for a M2 in the 50-60k range as true successor of m3.
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Personally I Azurite Black is the best shade of black I've seen in a car.
In snow conditions and shadow is black, direct sunlight is blue pigments when it come to stand amazed.
M3 and M4 in the course that gives a touch more luxury.
Do not forget that the list is different colors depending on the country of North America or Europe there will be more options in places where demand is greater.
Actually we will have to wait to BMW reveals details of the individual colors.
And what is fact that will be selective.
We could list many names that would not reach to bring them all in one day.
I must say one thing BMW 3-Series option exterior finish black , white, grey manipulated and controlled dealers make money not to worry so much about the individual program as it depends who is willing to pay that extra money and those who accessing this program will have exclusivity.
I think Tanzanite Blue could be included, because it is offer in Europe for the 3-Series.
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