Lambo Gallardo LP570 Vs Jb4 M4

[Vectors2final]

No matter what you do, this guy will continue to head on down to imright.com and will argue with you till the bitter end. No one want's to admit they're wrong on the internet.

[Revcrazy]

Originally Posted by tallshortguy

haha it's the same magazine doing both tests, the amount of denial it takes for you think C&D are cheating on the huracan test while apparently lying on the turbo S test is mind boggling. They do dozens of launches, are you under the impression they're in VAG's pocket? Oh wait, they own both brands. Yeah sure we'll wait for further tests to further confirm it is significantly faster in the quarter mile than your precious 991 turbo s, next thing you know you and sheepinsheepsclothing will argue with me that a 918 is faster than an F-22. That gallardo super trofeo with almost the exact same power to weight got a 132, you think their new car is slower in a straight line?

It should be faster. It weighs less and has a lot more hp than the turbo S. But the turbo S and all Porsches are overachievers and hit above their hp ratings.
I'm only saying lets see where the results end up after its tested a bit more. One test doesn't prove anything. All the other tests could come out with it trapping only 129 and show 135 was an anomaly.
And whether we know the speed of that roll on race or not, the huracan couldn't outrun a 997 530 hp turbo S cabrio. It should be able to easily pull away if it was as fast as you think it is. The 991 turbo S is faster than the 997 turbo S so that again can lead you in the proper direction.
My point is you're so quick to draw a conclusion from a mag test which often are optimistic and ignore a real world result. Not even the aventador traps 135 mph and weighs only a little bit more with 700 hp.

Here is same day, same drag strip where a 700 hp aventador trapped 128 vs a 560 hp 991 turbo S that trapped 127.

http://www.***********.com/content.p...eter-drag-race" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.boostaddi...-drag-race</a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...g-race</a></a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...ce</a></a></a>

So not sure how a huracan is going to trap 7 mph faster given the aventador weighs 300 lbs more. It also has 100 more hp.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

It should be faster. It weighs less and has a lot more hp than the turbo S. But the turbo S and all Porsches are overachievers and hit above their hp ratings.
I'm only saying lets see where the results end up after its tested a bit more. One test doesn't prove anything. All the other tests could come out with it trapping only 129 and show 135 was an anomaly.
And whether we know the speed of that roll on race or not, the huracan couldn't outrun a 997 530 hp turbo S cabrio. It should be able to easily pull away if it was as fast as you think it is. The 991 turbo S is faster than the 997 turbo S so that again can lead you in the proper direction.
My point is you're so quick to draw a conclusion from a mag test which often are optimistic and ignore a real world result. Not even the aventador traps 135 mph and weighs only a little bit more with 700 hp.

Here is same day, same drag strip where a 700 hp aventador trapped 128 vs a turbo S that also trapped 127. So a 700 hp 3500 lb car that can barely trap faster than a 560 hp 3600 lb car.

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So not sure how a huracan is going to be faster given the aventador weighs less than 100 lbs more yet has 100 more hp.

In fact, it's a ~330lbs difference between the Huracan and Aventador and only 80hp difference so they should be pretty close in performance, specially considering that the Huracan has much faster shifthing transmission. I'm also sure the Huracan is at least as fast as a 991 Turbo S, here is one keeping up with a 640hp Viper TA, a car that traps +130mph.

Oh and BTW, an Aventador is also a +130mph car, like you probably already know, N/A cars are more sensible to temps and elevation then turbo cars, that could explain the 128mph trap.

All of that does'nt change the fact that +550whp F8xs should trap +130mph considering their power/weight and what we see are traps in the range of 125-127mph, same as what much less powerfull and heavier E9x are doing.

Just for fun, here's a video of a stock Huracan running VERY close to a modded Aventador, stock vs stock should be even closer! In this video the stock Huracan trap 129.75mph.

[tallshortguy]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

It should be faster. It weighs less and has a lot more hp than the turbo S. But the turbo S and all Porsches are overachievers and hit above their hp ratings.
I'm only saying lets see where the results end up after its tested a bit more. One test doesn't prove anything. All the other tests could come out with it trapping only 129 and show 135 was an anomaly.
And whether we know the speed of that roll on race or not, the huracan couldn't outrun a 997 530 hp turbo S cabrio. It should be able to easily pull away if it was as fast as you think it is. The 991 turbo S is faster than the 997 turbo S so that again can lead you in the proper direction.
My point is you're so quick to draw a conclusion from a mag test which often are optimistic and ignore a real world result. Not even the aventador traps 135 mph and weighs only a little bit more with 700 hp.

Here is same day, same drag strip where a 700 hp aventador trapped 128 vs a 560 hp 991 turbo S that trapped 127.

http://www.***********.com/content.p...eter-drag-race" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.boostaddi...-drag-race</a>" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...g-race</a></a>" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...ce</a></a></a>

So not sure how a huracan is going to trap 7 mph faster given the aventador weighs 300 lbs more. It also has 100 more hp.

The power to weight of the huracan is very close to the aventador, a better geared or faster shifting transmission, better launch control, and/or better AWD could definitely account for the difference.

Also, citing the rolling race again huh? There was traffic, no evidence of what speeds they started at, or even citing how long they were going full throttle. The fact that a GTR, modded or not, passes them by what looks like ~10mph tells you all you need to know about whether that rolling race is good evidence of drag race times. If that's seriously what you're going to keep hanging your argument's hat on maybe it's time to reevaluate.

In fact here's a random run with 132+. Launch didn't even look that good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...yt-cl=84503534

The huracan also tested faster than the aventador on top gear's test track, a track that rewards straight line speed.

[TrevorM3]

yawn

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

It should be faster. It weighs less and has a lot more hp than the turbo S. But the turbo S and all Porsches are overachievers and hit above their hp ratings.
I'm only saying lets see where the results end up after its tested a bit more. One test doesn't prove anything. All the other tests could come out with it trapping only 129 and show 135 was an anomaly.
And whether we know the speed of that roll on race or not, the huracan couldn't outrun a 997 530 hp turbo S cabrio. It should be able to easily pull away if it was as fast as you think it is. The 991 turbo S is faster than the 997 turbo S so that again can lead you in the proper direction.
My point is you're so quick to draw a conclusion from a mag test which often are optimistic and ignore a real world result. Not even the aventador traps 135 mph and weighs only a little bit more with 700 hp.

Here is same day, same drag strip where a 700 hp aventador trapped 128 vs a 560 hp 991 turbo S that trapped 127.

http://www.***********.com/content.p...eter-drag-race" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.boostaddi...-drag-race</a>" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...g-race</a></a>" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...ce</a></a></a>

So not sure how a huracan is going to trap 7 mph faster given the aventador weighs 300 lbs more. It also has 100 more hp.

It's interesting that the thread started with Gallardo and now is comparing Huracan and Aventador and 911 ... lol... Huracan is obviously faster than Aventador and 911 TTS.... I don't know how you came up with 300 lb?? It's about 700-800 lb since C&D reported 3400 lb while as far as Aventador C&D reported 4200 lb and also Motor Trend measured 4100 lb so basically Huracan is a lot lighter and with about 80 HP less, has better power/weight ratio.
Furthermore why it's impossible that an AWD 3400 lb 610 HP car with 0.179 power/weight ratio be able to have 135 mph trap when an AWD 4200 lb 690 HP (Aventador) with 0.164 power/weight ratio has 128 mph trap and an AWD 3600 lb, 560 HP (911) with 0.155 power/weight ratio has 126 mph?

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

It's interesting that the thread started with Gallardo and now is comparing Huracan and Aventador and 911 ... lol... Huracan is obviously faster than Aventador and 911 TTS.... I don't know how you came up with 300 lb?? It's about 700-800 lb since C&D reported 3400 lb while as far as Aventador C&D reported 4200 lb and also Motor Trend measured 4100 lb so basically Huracan is a lot lighter and with about 80 HP less, has better power/weight ratio.
Furthermore why it's impossible that an AWD 3400 lb 610 HP car with 0.179 power/weight ratio be able to have 135 mph trap when an AWD 4200 lb 690 HP (Aventador) with 0.164 power/weight ratio has 128 mph trap and an AWD 3600 lb, 560 HP (911) with 0.155 power/weight ratio has 126 mph?

Don't want to argue with you but I just looked for Aventadore weight because I thought 4100-4200lbs was a bit much for a car like this and founded at least ten places quoting 1575kg(3472lb) as the dry weight, not sure how could some magazine have end up with a +4000lbs. :

[auf Deutsch]

^09/11 review by C&D weighed 4085 lbs (2012 model unchanged through 2015) for Adventador.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Don't want to argue with you but I just looked for Aventadore weight because I thought 4100-4200lbs was a bit much for a car like this and founded at least ten places quoting 1575kg(3472lb) as the dry weight, not sure how could some magazine have end up with a +4000lbs. :

Don't rely on internet too much! FYI, Every year, motor trend has a "best year driver's car" program and then performs a fully test for different cars as far as straight line, canyon road and race track in California. One area of test is actual weight measurement and that's the result of 2012 best driver's car I posted in my previous quote You can see and watch the result of all tests here ... now it's up to you to accept or deny .... we can discuss forever based on wrong numbers but the reality is that Aventador is a heavy 4100-4200 lb car and if you have chance to sit behind the wheel and do a short test drive you will feel that weight.
BTW, since this is M3/M4 forum, in 2014 they included M4 in their tests and measured the weight 3604 lb for a almost fully loaded car (86k) which seems pretty accurate! 911 TTS weigh 3589 lb and GTR Nismo 3881 lb
C&D and MT are not magazines that copy and past numbers from different sites and post on their website when they perform instrument test. The difference of 100-200 lb could be logical based on different options (ie base or fully loaded car) ... you can see the following sheets for Aventador and Huracan

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Don't rely on internet too much! FYI, Every year, motor trend has a "best year driver's car" program and then performs a fully test for different cars as far as straight line, canyon road and race track in California. One area of test is actual weight measurement and that's the result of 2012 best driver's car I posted in my previous quote You can see and watch the result of all tests here ... now it's up to you to accept or deny .... we can discuss forever based on wrong numbers but the reality is that Aventador is a heavy 4100-4200 lb car and if you have chance to sit behind the wheel and do a short test drive you will feel that weight.
BTW, since this is M3/M4 forum, in 2014 they included M4 in their tests and measured the weight 3604 lb for a almost fully loaded car (86k) which seems pretty accurate! 911 TTS weigh 3589 lb and GTR Nismo 3881 lb
C&D and MT are not magazines that copy and past numbers from different sites and post on their website when they perform instrument test. The difference of 100-200 lb could be logical based on different options (ie base or fully loaded car) ... you can see the following sheets for Aventador and Huracan

Honestly, it's kind of hard to know which numbers to believe when they're all over the place like that, 3472lbs is certainly very low for a car that size but 4100-4200lbs is also very heavy to be able to run low 10s with only 690hp and four wheels to rub the power, that without speaking of those mid 130s traps! I just don't know what to think anymore! lol

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Honestly, it's kind of hard to know which numbers to believe when they're all over the place like that, 3472lbs is certainly very low for a car that size but 4100-4200lbs is also very heavy to be able to run low 10s with only 690hp and four wheels to rub the power, that without speaking of those mid 130s traps! I just don't know what to think anymore! lol

Who said or claimed Aventador car run low 10s? That's another non sense number that as you said is all over the place. In best case Aventador can run 10.7-10.8 at low 130s which is about right for that weight and power of AWD super sport car...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ppDuVGsDV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaS7n6qKQe4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93p6fMSqxno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k09EGuJK-zQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beZ8nYB5zoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-c...88&spfreload=1

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Who said or claimed Aventador car run low 10s? That's another non sense number that as you said is all over the place. In best case Aventador can run 10.7-10.8 at low 130s which is about right for that weight and power of AWD super sport car...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ppDuVGsDV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaS7n6qKQe4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93p6fMSqxno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k09EGuJK-zQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beZ8nYB5zoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-c...88&spfreload=1

I think I've seen it at a couple of places, but quickly like that, there is here:

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/lamborgh...r_lp700-4.html

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I think I've seen it at a couple of places, but quickly like that, there is here:

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/lamborgh...r_lp700-4.html

LOL... and the same website says 2012 BMW M6 can go from 0-100km (0-62 mph) in 3.9 second but 0-60 mph in 4.2 second while F13 M6 in real world can go 0-60 in 3.7 second...
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m6_2012.html

Again, don't trust numbers on the websites... go for real world... those videos I posted early

[Jeffe]

...So anyways, awesome 1/4 time OP! DCT or manual? I've been considering the jb4. How is it with daily driving?

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

LOL... and the same website says 2012 BMW M6 can go from 0-100km (0-62 mph) in 3.9 second but 0-60 mph in 4.2 second while F13 M6 in real world can go 0-60 in 3.7 second...
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m6_2012.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://fastestlaps.c..._2012.html</a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...2.html</a></a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...ml</a></a></a>

Again, don't trust numbers on the websites... go for real world... those videos I posted early

My experience with real world 1/4 mile videos is that they rarelly show the best of what a car can do, specially with an N/A car like the Aventadore which I'm sure can run much faster then 10.8-10.9 on a cold night with a stronger running engine and less grip to make the car bug down on the launch. A car like this should be able to do 1.6-1.7 60fts without a problem, not 1.8xx like in all the video you showed me, my 270hp Audi TT was doing 1.7xx 60fts and my 350hp STI 1.6xx, both on stock tires, my friend even pulled a 1.599 with its STI gt35r on cheap 225/45-17 summer tires, it's just a matter of not having too much grip so the car does'nt bug down and loose precious time, just my 0.02$.

Here's a 10.5 that seems legit:
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=0&tID=187903

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

My experience with real world 1/4 mile videos is that they rarelly show the best of what a car can do, specially with an N/A car like the Aventadore which I'm sure can run much faster then 10.8-10.9 on a cold night with a stronger running engine and less grip to make the car bug down on the launch. A car like this should be able to do 1.6-1.7 60fts without a problem, not 1.8xx like in all the video you showed me, my 270hp Audi TT was doing 1.7xx 60fts and my 350hp STI 1.6xx, both on stock tires, my friend even pulled a 1.599 with its STI gt35r on cheap 225/45-17 summer tires, it's just a matter of not having too much grip so the car does'nt bug down and loose precious time, just my 0.02$.

Here's a 10.5 that seems legit:
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=0&tID=187903

Haha.. looks like we are getting closer and closer...
The link you posted shows the weight of that Aventador 1797 kg (3961 lb) ... so basically it proves that the US measurement numbers (4100-4200) are pretty accurate since just a tank of 23.8 us gallon gas (90 liter)weighs about 200 lb... so we can consider full tank vs 1/4 tank (4100 vs 3960)... I believe you are one of the guys that months ago in threads comparing the weight of E92 vs F82 were emphasizing on the weight of gas in different measurement...anyhow, now how do you rephrase your previous sentences??? 691 HP , 4100 lb car, high 10s 1/4 mile does not make sense?... anyways I think so far we have gone far off the OP... Let it go

[xxx_mina]

Originally Posted by Jeffe

...So anyways, awesome 1/4 time OP! DCT or manual? I've been considering the jb4. How is it with daily driving?

Awesome, gives me all the power i want, different maps for different uses, and i can control it all from my Cell phone with $27 app (3rd party) and $15 usb adapter or my labtop for free....and when i need anything, i just send an email and i get reply right away... i pretty much chat with burgertunning live as i'm racing down the track .

Mina

[MDREDev]

Originally Posted by Brosef

are you Wolfinwolfsclothing's twin brother? just what we need around here - another Porsche fanboy.

It is the same person with a different screen name. I'd bet my paycheck on it

[JoeyBananas]

His 60ft is Honda civic type of 60ft, that's horrible