BMW M4 vs. Mercedes C63 AMG Edition 507 Comparison Review

[ss134]

Originally Posted by tallshortguy

A 200 lb weight reduction would still make it heavier than an M3/4.

His C63 weighed 3820, if the new one is 220lbs lighter that makes it 3600lbs which funnily enough if you look at cars that have been weighed on this forum is approx the same weight as M3/4.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I have already done an extensive comparison.

Here is the thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008143

Hope it helps.

Thanks man. Nice review.

[tallshortguy]

Originally Posted by ss134

His C63 weighed 3820, if the new one is 220lbs lighter that makes it 3600lbs which funnily enough if you look at cars that have been weighed on this forum is approx the same weight as M3/4.

The highly optioned EAS weight for the M3 is 38 lbs below 3600, which would be lighter. I haven't been keeping up with other threads but other early weigh ins I saw for manual lightly optioned cars came in a around 3500 iirc.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by ss134

Let's hope they're not doing a BMW and claiming a bigger weight reduction than is actually the case! If this is the case the new C63 will weigh the same as the F80 and with all that extra power it will be faster. Only things left are handling and styling.... BMW have left themselves open for a knockout blow by only giving the new cars a 15hp bump over the old - should be interesting although the new F80 is putting down numbers that are not reflective of a 430hp car that weighs this much. Is it underrated? Does it actually have 460+? Will the Merc handle it's power? Will it be underrated! Will it really have reduced that much weight? Can't wait for the comparison reviews. When is it's official release date?

All great questions. Test mules have been seen with 265-section rubber in the rear (a modest improvement from 255). There are reveals coming in September (Paris) and November (L.A.).

AMG always makes it a priority for their cars to be fast in a straight line. Since 2012, it appears the mission has been to retain this advantage while improving overall driving dynamics.

The M4 turned out to be far faster than I expected. I was really impressed with the abundance of instantaneous, usable torque. The W205 will have its work cut out for it.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

Thanks man. Nice review.

Thank you! I re-read my initial reply to you and I apologize if it came off as terse. Hope the review was helpful to you.

[e92_m3]

Hmm, does anybody see the AMG 507 edition on the MB website? Went to their website with no luck at all.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by tallshortguy

The highly optioned EAS weight for the M3 is 38 lbs below 3600, which would be lighter. I haven't been keeping up with other threads but other early weigh ins I saw for manual lightly optioned cars came in a around 3500 iirc.

I said approx same weight, 50lbs heavier or lighter is neither here not there in a car of this weight and power. There is a 135lb difference between an M3 with no fuel and a full tank. Fat driver vs skinny driver- small margins. If the Benz reduces it's weight to within even 100lbs of the M3 it will be a monster with that extra power and torque.

[Ash83]

Originally Posted by rjd598

i don't really understand this review or the autocar one. this isn't apples to apples and it's going to be hard to compare an amg v8 with more power than the base c63 versus a twin turbo inline 6. the engine sound will create bias alone

That is BMW's fault, they know c63,RS5 and the M3 are three choices in the premium coupe segments. Yet they decided that the new m3 will be TTI6 giving that Merced said the new C will be V8T and pushing close to 500!!!

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Thank you! I re-read my initial reply to you and I apologize if it came off as terse. Hope the review was helpful to you.

No it was not aggresive in any way. Chill boy hehehe. English may be my third language which could be a reason for misunderstanding, yet I did not find it aggresive. Your review was indeed excellent, yet your C 63 compared so well to the M4, and with all the recent comparos, I am getting the impression I am about to do a stupid deal leaving the 63. I think I am gonna take a step further and jump to a M6 GC, as the price difference is pretty small if compared to the M4 here (M4 $230,000, M6 GC 260,000, C63 $180,000).

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Ash83

That is BMW's fault, they know c63,RS5 and the M3 are three choices in the premium coupe segments. Yet they decided that the new m3 will be TTI6 giving that Merced said the new C will be V8T and pushing close to 500!!!

I might agree with this if I bought cars only for the power the engine generated. I buy cars for the ENTIRE car and, IMO, there is a history of BMW doing that well and that is no different in the F8x. Transmission, brakes, chassis, suspension, steering and engine all matter.

[AustinYellowMakesMeHard]

Am I the only one who thinks that the C63 looks absolutely terrible? I mean for starters it's 10" wheels are way, way too tiny for the car and those tacked on hood vents look incredibly out of place. The headlamps look atrocious and it has the hips of a malnourished rice farmer. I mean honestly WTF was Mercedes thinking when they designed this monstrosity? If had the money for an M4 the only other cars I'd consider would be the F-Type, Stingray and the lovely Cayman S.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

Am I the only one who thinks that the C63 looks absolutely terrible? I mean for starters it's 10" wheels are way, way too tiny for the car and those tacked on hood vents look incredibly out of place. The headlamps look atrocious and it has the hips of a malnourished rice farmer. I mean honestly WTF was Mercedes thinking when they designed this monstrosity? If had the money for an M4 the only other cars I'd consider would be the F-Type, Stingray and the lovely Cayman S.

The hood vents are functional. And the wheel sizes are 18" and 19".

You must really like AY.

[onatuesday]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The hood vents are functional. And the wheel sizes are 18" and 19".

You must really like AY.

Lol my thoughts exactly...hard to take someone's taste seriously when they love AY so much

[swanson]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The hood vents are functional. And the wheel sizes are 18" and 19".

You must really like AY.

[AustinYellowMakesMeHard]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The hood vents are functional. And the wheel sizes are 18" and 19".

You must really like AY.

If you couldn't tell it was exaggeration expressing my dislike for the C63s looks. For some reason the wheels look too small, I think it's due to rather flat rear fenders coupled with the tall trunk.

and not really I thought it was an interesting choice for a username. My favorite colors are SO, FS and BSM.

[AustinYellowMakesMeHard]

Originally Posted by trinim3

Lol my thoughts exactly...hard to take someone's taste seriously when they love AY so much

Nothing wrong with AY. It looks pretty great with a carbon front lip and blacked out grills.

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

Nothing wrong with AY. It looks pretty great with a carbon front lip and blacked out grills.

I don't believe that is AY. I think your pic is one of the pictures from the M4 reveal at Pebble Beach. I believe that car is painted in Aurum Dust? I may not have the right name but I am pretty sure it's not Austin.

[AustinYellowMakesMeHard]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

I don't believe that is AY. I think your pic is one of the pictures from the M4 reveal at Pebble Beach. I believe that car is painted in Aurum Dust? I may not have the right name but I am pretty sure it's not Austin.

It is Aurum Dust, but I was under the impression that Austin Yellow is just the name for the production version of Aurum Dust.

[svc0x80]

Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

It is Aurum Dust, but I was under the impression that Austin Yellow is just the name for the production version of Aurum Dust.

AY looks a little more gold than Aurum Dust. The latter has a more greenish hue to it.

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

It is Aurum Dust, but I was under the impression that Austin Yellow is just the name for the production version of Aurum Dust.

It could be. I'm not sure if they are the same.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

It could be. I'm not sure if they are the same.

They are not the same.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

Nothing wrong with AY. It looks pretty great with a carbon front lip and blacked out grills.

In the words of Stewie Griffin, "go educate yourself you fool". Kidding.
This is not AY it is AD. AY is the production of this concept colour, but not the same shade (at least I think so).