Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Here I was hoping it would bring some spark back to the brand for me.

Originally Posted by swagon

Then get yourself an older BMW and be excited about those cars.

I've been searching BAT and it's hard, but I think if you want genuine spark about a true-to-form BMW with some reliability and modernity, you're best bet is an e82 128i with stick and sport/m-sport pack. If, IF, you can find one. Their values are surging, and my guess is they will well-surpass the 135i in the long run.

[Humdizzle]

EVO 2022 car of the year

M4CSL review starts at 6 minutes

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

I've been searching BAT and it's hard, but I think if you want genuine spark about a true-to-form BMW with some reliability and modernity, you're best bet is an e82 128i with stick and sport/m-sport pack. If, IF, you can find one. Their values are surging, and my guess is they will well-surpass the 135i in the long run.

I've had an E82 135i exactly 9 years now and also had an E91 for 9 years until the F80 arrived in 2018 so know these cars a bit. And I believe that the E8x/E9x are peak BMW. Perfect old-to-modern ratio like you suggest.

Flawed in terms of suspension and are not really lightweight, but there are many ways of improving them enough to be really enjoyable as well as totally fine for daily driving. And, more importantly, they do not suffer from rust unlike the E46. Timeless looks, too.

IMHO, they are in dire need of a limited-slip diff, better dampers and stiffer subframe bushes.

If you retrofit NBT iDrive w/ CarPlay into a loaded E82/E9x with adaptive xenons and whatnot, there's zero comfort stuff missing in a car that's got hydraulic steering (though ECE-spec naturally aspirated I6 E8x/E9x had EPS unless optioned with Active Steering), no rev match and no fake engine noise.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by swagon

I've had an E82 135i exactly 9 years now and also had an E91 for 9 years until the F80 arrived in 2018 so know these cars a bit. And I believe that the E8x/E9x are peak BMW. Perfect old-to-modern ratio like you suggest.

Flawed in terms of suspension and are not really lightweight, but there are many ways of improving them enough to be really enjoyable as well as totally fine for daily driving. And, more importantly, they do not suffer from rust unlike the E46. Timeless looks, too.

IMHO, they are in dire need of a limited-slip diff, better dampers and stiffer subframe bushes.

If you retrofit NBT iDrive w/ CarPlay into a loaded E82/E9x with adaptive xenons and whatnot, there's zero comfort stuff missing in a car that's got hydraulic steering (though ECE-spec naturally aspirated I6 E8x/E9x had EPS unless optioned with Active Steering), no rev match and no fake engine noise.

Nice analysis. I think a lot of the suspension issues are probably due to BMW’s engineers trying to cope with first gen RFTs mandated by BMW accounting and marketing.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

EVO 2022 car of the year

M4CSL review starts at 2 minutes

Damn relatively brutal review all around lol

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Damn relatively brutal review all around lol

I don’t think it’s brutal; it’s accurate. If BMW wanted to make a serious CSL car, they’d drop the weight of the M2 chassis to 3000lbs and throw in a beefed up, bored out B46 good for more than 450 hp and paired to a 6MT. It would be a glorious little car and I guarantee if they got it only close to just right, it’d win all these tests.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

Nice analysis. I think a lot of the suspension issues are probably due to BMW’s engineers trying to cope with first gen RFTs mandated by BMW accounting and marketing.

Yeah, the 135 became really mushy on non-RFTs. The E90 not so much. I had to throw coilovers on the e82, which then started to highlight the super soft rear subframe bushings.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

I don’t think it’s brutal; it’s accurate. If BMW wanted to make a serious CSL car, they’d drop the weight of the M2 chassis to 3000lbs and throw in a beefed up, bored out B46 good for more than 450 hp and paired to a 6MT. It would be a glorious little car and I guarantee if they got it only close to just right, it’d win all these tests.

Agree on accuracy, the brutality is relative. Kind of culminated in them being unable to stop saying how the GR86 was a better and more memorable car/experience.

Personally I think they should have just committed to a GTS, it’s 3/4 of the way there anyway - I doubt the baby aero and manually adjustable dampers that BMW uses on GTS spec would ruin the experience of the current CSL.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Agree on accuracy, the brutality is relative. Kind of culminated in them being unable to stop saying how the GR86 was a better and more memorable car/experience.

Personally I think they should have just committed to a GTS, it’s 3/4 of the way there anyway - I doubt the baby aero and manually adjustable dampers that BMW uses on GTS spec would ruin the experience of the current CSL.

That is kind of the strength and the weakness of BMW. The M division is restrained a lot and they cannot do anything about it.

Having to make the most out of what they have can only go so far with a chassis like the G8x. At least before, Biermann fought for the M-DCT so at least the F8x felt different (which it did). He left and now we are stuck with what we have. There isn't anything wrong with the G8x, it is one hell of a performer but it just doesn't feel special. It just feels like a suped up M340i, with a more divisive look (depending on who you ask).

I don't know, I said my peace with the G80/G82 a while ago but it annoys me still. BMW can do so much better but they don't because of paper pushers.

As for Evo... They always do reviews this way. For cars that preform in UK roads which... lets be honest here the roads there are FAR different than what most of those cars are built for. I take what every reviewer now a days say with a giant teaspoon of salt.

Edit: Part of me wants to get a E46 M3 and fix it. Was talking to my cousin-in-law about it and got me thinking again.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by Arcades

That is kind of the strength and the weakness of BMW. The M division is restrained a lot and they cannot do anything about it.

Having to make the most out of what they have can only go so far with a chassis like the G8x. At least before, Biermann fought for the M-DCT so at least the F8x felt different (which it did). He left and now we are stuck with what we have. There isn't anything wrong with the G8x, it is one hell of a performer but it just doesn't feel special. It just feels like a suped up M340i, with a more divisive look (depending on who you ask).

I don't know, I said my peace with the G80/G82 a while ago but it annoys me still. BMW can do so much better but they don't because of paper pushers.

As for Evo... They always do reviews this way. For cars that preform in UK roads which... lets be honest here the roads there are FAR different than what most of those cars are built for. I take what every reviewer now a days say with a giant teaspoon of salt.

Edit: Part of me wants to get a E46 M3 and fix it. Was talking to my cousin-in-law about it and got me thinking again.

Suped up M340i is a good observation. I'd say it's that combined with the switch to a "more is more" mentality. BMW used to always be about "less is more." Somehow, they'd take a lesser car on paper and make it beat the competition. It started with the 2002 and kept going. In the 90s-20s, you always saw a 325i or 528/30i win against more powerful or luxurious cars because the 330i or 540/45i was priced out of the test. It didn't matter, because the base car was so great, it won. Same goes for the peak M3, the e46, and to some extent the e92. They'd be a genuine alternative to the 911 for those on a budget, seeking practicality, or both. You get the sense they told the engineers they're only getting this engine and this price and you need to actually do your homework. And they did! BMW managed to make less more, and it won.

More recently, I think they got immersed in the American focus group driven market and sucked into the "more is more," "bigger is better," mentality of our land of consumerism. So, we just get cars that are trying to be luxurious, techy and performance oriented and we end up with a slightly sportier box than the next guy. Biggest engine, fancy tech and a good ride are all on offer. The poor engineers probably spend all their time just on making the thing handle it's own heft.

This is where we get back to the suped up M340i. All the cars need to have the same feel so rich dude can buy the most expensive version and still feel techy and plush. Add in the bean counters and you just get a more powerful tuned version of the same engine and slap an S on it. Yes, I know it's different. But it ain't different like it was back in the day when it really was completely different.

And so here we are. More is more. Bigger is better. God Bless America and Happy New Year!

[icegrill]

Happy New Year’s to everyone except G8x owners.

[Arcades]

Happy New Year

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Happy New Year

Yes, Happy New Year! Maybe I'll get a new car this year?!

[No Boost]

On the topic of DCTs... Kia, I repeat, Kia used a DCT in their $30k top of the line turbo Seltos model up until 2022 MY. Owners complained of serious drive-ability issues such as harsh bucking, overly harsh shifts, etc. It's been replaced with a traditional AT.

We tend to think that all DCTs are akin to PDK or M-DCT which is certainly not the case.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by No Boost

We tend to think that all DCTs are akin to PDK or M-DCT which is certainly not the case.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by icegrill

Happy New Year’s to everyone except G8x owners.

... and except my 135 and Alpina who both took a poo. One's leaking coolant and the other won't open its trunk. Happy New Year!

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Arcades

What about the... Escalade V?

Ha, well I'm just not that fancy and I already have a fast SUV with a nice interior. Plus I want something you can drive through rural Oregon or Wisconsin without sticking out too much and you can toss dirt sacks into without Also, the Suburban is the longest running model in auto history (I think) so I gotta own one at some point so maybe now might be the time!

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Ha, well I'm just not that fancy and I already have a fast SUV with a nice interior. Plus I want something you can drive through rural Oregon or Wisconsin without sticking out too much and you can toss dirt sacks into without Also, the Suburban is the longest running model in auto history (I think) so I gotta own one at some point so maybe now might be the time!

I’d go Tahoe if you don’t need the space. Just make sure you get the diesel one!

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by No Boost

On the topic of DCTs... Kia, I repeat, Kia used a DCT in their $30k top of the line turbo Seltos model up until 2022 MY. Owners complained of serious drive-ability issues such as harsh bucking, overly harsh shifts, etc. It's been replaced with a traditional AT.

We tend to think that all DCTs are akin to PDK or M-DCT which is certainly not the case.

I know pretty well not all DCTs are made equal thus why I asked which DCT BMW shoved in the X1. I have driven the wet clutch ones in the Benz cars and I was not too impressed with them either.

Guess I can always drive one and find out.

Have you driven any of the more recent ones after Biermann got his hands on the Kia/Hyundai ones?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

I’d go Tahoe if you don’t need the space. Just make sure you get the diesel one!

Ha, for me, the only reason to get one of those full frame behemoths is the space! Man, every time I load up a 'burb it's wonderful

The diesel is definitely tempting, I drove one on a summer road trip and the range was insane: cruising at 55 on some back roads the range was like 700+ miles. completely batshit.

With that, I'm a sucker for a V8 and I also ordered the catback, the brembo brakes, and the intake

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Ha, for me, the only reason to get one of those full frame behemoths is the space! Man, every time I load up a 'burb it's wonderful

The diesel is definitely tempting, I drove one on a summer road trip and the range was insane: cruising at 55 on some back roads the range was like 700+ miles. completely batshit.

With that, I'm a sucker for a V8 and I also ordered the catback, the brembo brakes, and the intake

More reason to go with the Escalade! That Caddy V8

[swagon]

always enjoy this guy's reviews.