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      04-16-2015, 06:21 PM   #23
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They look real good. I was about to say, add the downpipes that you just mentioned and maybe some lighter rims and for sure you will go over the 500 hp easily. You got covered though ;-) this makes me want to mod even more after I said I would leave it completely stock lol.
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      04-16-2015, 06:23 PM   #24
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They look real good. I was about to say, add the downpipes that you just mentioned and maybe some lighter rims and for sure you will go over the 500 hp easily. You got covered though ;-) this makes me want to mod even more after I said I would leave it completely stock lol.
Lighter rims?! These are only 19lb up front and 20 rear. Lighter than stock
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      04-16-2015, 06:25 PM   #25
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Hmm, If it doesn't feel faster than jb4 then I believe it'll be a little slower running against it on the street. Butt dyno is more my preference over hp dyno.

Honestly after you made this comment I might end up with the jb4.
Thanks for your feedback!
It doesn't need to "feel" faster to "be" faster. My GT-R (stock) felt like it pulled harder than the M3 (modded) so I thought it was faster. The M3 ended up pulling on the GT-R .
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      04-16-2015, 06:28 PM   #26
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It doesn't need to "feel" faster to "be" faster. My GT-R (stock) felt like it pulled harder than the M3 (modded) so I thought it was faster. The M3 ended up pulling on the GT-R .
I agree with your statement however those are different cars. With the same exact car it should be much easier to determine. Plus I prefer the feel of a faster car, so that's me.
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      04-16-2015, 06:28 PM   #27
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I agree with your statement however those are different cars. With the same exact car it should be much easier to determine. Plus I prefer the feel of a faster car, so that's me.
I'll be running my ESS M3 against a JB4 M4 soon, so we'll see .
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      04-16-2015, 06:30 PM   #28
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Lighter rims?! These are only 19lb up front and 20 rear. Lighter than stock
Well good numbers on your dyno and post up more numbers if you have a chance once you go downpipes. Those are real good weights on the new wheels, enjoy and happy motoring sir.
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      04-16-2015, 06:31 PM   #29
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I'll be running my ESS M3 against a JB4 M4 soon, so we'll see .
This will be interesting, let us know how the outcome.
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Hmm, If it doesn't feel faster than jb4 then I believe it'll be a little slower running against it on the street. Butt dyno is more my preference over hp dyno.

Honestly after you made this comment I might end up with the jb4.
Thanks for your feedback!
I also had the JB4 when average temps were 20-40 and my tires spun easier which I think made it feel faster. Once I got the ESS we were back up to 60-70 like today. There is no doubt JB4 has more potential high end power. I just feel safer with the ESS. Maybe thats fools gold tho.
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      04-16-2015, 07:05 PM   #32
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Looks good dmk. I concur it perhaps was temps. My car stock spun wheels in 3rd gear in winter at 50 degrres. Now stage 1 and 2 won't always spin in 90 degree temps in 3rd. Makes a huge difference.

I'm still perplexed by Tom's resukts. None of the runs are with the box on the set tune. They all are plus or minus something

I was hoping a nice run of linear, normal and torque with no plus or minus.

I've settled on normal ess with 96 octane from the pump that I'm lucky to have. They mix vp 100 and 91 into the pump. It's great
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      04-16-2015, 07:12 PM   #33
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Looks good dmk. I concur it perhaps was temps. My car stock spun wheels in 3rd gear in winter at 50 degrres. Now stage 1 and 2 won't always spin in 90 degree temps in 3rd. Makes a huge difference.

I'm still perplexed by Tom's resukts. None of the runs are with the box on the set tune. They all are plus or minus something

I was hoping a nice run of linear, normal and torque with no plus or minus.

I've settled on normal ess with 96 octane from the pump that I'm lucky to have. They mix vp 100 and 91 into the pump. It's great
Yeh honestly I think the JB4 in Map 2 in a real world race would destroy me after looking over our 2 results from tonight. My buddies car didn't have the torque fall off until 5200 when the lines intersected. As you can see from my graph torque falls down at 4200. Dyno guy speculates the DME pulled timing. I don't want to post JB4 maps in here but feel free to PM me if you want to see it.
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      04-16-2015, 07:15 PM   #34
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Hey wasn't that what I speculated with timing pull? I would think after several real world pulls that may be more of a problem with any tune putting out.

So going back to jb? or run 100 octane perhaos?
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      04-16-2015, 07:16 PM   #35
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I do not believe it does because it does not connect to the canbus.

Tom, do you have any feedback of how the car feels with this versus the JB4?
Both suit different needs, some like Apple - others like Android.

We're running the Awron digital display, which covers the CEL. The Macht Schnell module will also remove the CEL while adding Exhaust Valve Control at the touch of the BC button on the steering column.

I don't need a bunch of convoluted features selectable from the steering wheel, this is great since its a "set it and go" package. This lets me enjoy driving the car, with no worries. I've been very happy testing the E-Tronic, I'll be driving to ESS's HQs over the weekend and give it a run long term in order to cover long term comfort also.

Everyone that's been by for a test drive has enjoyed it or purchased one right on the spot.

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Here yall go. My results.

ESS running stage 2 torque tune. Car has MPE, BMS filters, and thats it otherwise. Running 3 gallons of 100 octane in a full tank of 93 otherwise. Car made good power all the way to redline.

My buddy with a JB4 in Map2 with 4 gallons of E85 dyno'd at the same time. He made 12hp more than me. I had JB4 before ESS actually.

Conditions are 60 and muggy.

Best of the 3 runs. Smoothing at 3 he said.

Not bad, what's your current mod list? Did you end up going with wider tires in the rear?

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It doesn't need to "feel" faster to "be" faster. My GT-R (stock) felt like it pulled harder than the M3 (modded) so I thought it was faster. The M3 ended up pulling on the GT-R .
Even so, there's much more to a tune than just putting down peak numbers. If the characteristics are changed dramatically (sensitive throttle, lag, misfiring), it can ruin the entire experience.
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      04-16-2015, 07:20 PM   #36
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Both suit different needs, some like Apple - others like Android.

We're running the Awron digital display, which covers the CEL. The Macht Schnell module will also remove the CEL while adding Exhaust Valve Control at the touch of the BC button on the steering column.

I don't need a bunch of convoluted features selectable from the steering wheel, this is great since its a "set it and go" package. This lets me enjoy driving the car, with no worries. I've very happy testing the E-Tronic, I'll be driving to ESS's HQs over the weekend and give it a run long term in order to cover long term comfort also.

Everyone that's been by for a test drive has enjoyed it or purchased one right on the spot.



Not bad, what's your current mod list? What brand/size wheels are in the rear?



Even so, there's much more to a tune than just putting down peak numbers. If the characteristics are changed dramatically (sensitive throttle, lag, misfiring), it can ruin the entire experience.
ESS Tune, BMC filters, MPE, and 3 gallons of 100 octane (93 otherwise).

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At the same time man its holding power quite well to almost 7k. that means torque isn't falling off that much more than expected at that power level and that near redline since turbos don't breath up there. I think it held power nicely to almost 7k. I'm no pro though
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At the same time man its holding power quite well to almost 7k. that means torque isn't falling off that much more than expected at that power level and that near redline since turbos don't breath up there. I think it held power nicely to almost 7k. I'm no pro though
Yeah looking at them really closely it shows a bunch of interesting stuff. The JB4 holds torque more down low to 5krpm but the ESS holds HP more to redline. Not sure which is better for speed.
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Did this one awhile back, figured it would be fun for this thread.

For kicks, these runs compared against a Supercharged E92 M3 ESS VT2-625 to see how the two hold up against each other. Runs on 91 octane.

Blue: 2015 M4 DCT, ESS E-Tronic S3/+3, Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust, Evolution Racewerks Downpipes, BMC Filters, 91oct
Red: 2011 M3 DCT, ESS VT2-625, Macht Schnell Bypass Track Pipes, 91oct

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Yeah looking at them really closely it shows a bunch of interesting stuff. The JB4 holds torque more down low to 5krpm but the ESS holds HP more to redline. Not sure which is better for speed.
If your torque is lower and power higher at the same rpm than that is strange if not possible since hp is a calculation of torque snd rpm.
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If your torque is lower and power higher at the same rpm than that is strange if not possible since hp is a calculation of torque snd rpm.
No I just meant up top my car seemed to hold HP longer and had a flatter curve to 7300. While his car had a flatter torque curve on the low end.
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To me though that would mean jb4 pulling more timing. Both are pulling timing at that output I know that.
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dmk08, awesome power, love your wheel and fat tire, you are pro , a lot of info , thank for your time.
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I installed ess e-tronic on Tuesday.The program changes as described in the instructions.
Indication on the buttons work, let's say I choose to program to 1 (+2) or 3 (+1). After a few minutes the display goes off and is no longer illuminated. If you press any buttons, and attempts to unlock access to programs, nothing happens.When disconnecting the unit, and the inclusion it back in a few minutes, the chip is activated, the display is lit, the program can be changed. After some time, the display is switched off again, and access to the unit is lost. Can someone help?
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Of mods on the car is worth only chip ess e-tronic (was commissioned by a month ago)
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