The GTS is an amazing deal right now

[2K7]

GTS is an unbelievable bargain at current prices. I feel like they are basically giving them away. I remember when people laughed when I said used low mileage testarossas would be worth 100k+ back in 2010 when low mileage examples were selling for $35k or when the F40 had dropped to less than $200k. Hang on to your GTS cars folks. People will look back in history with regret as BMW will not be bringing these track cars back to America for a long time. Low mileage ones especially in SBM will be worth somewhere between $175-$200k+ easily.

[VCP]

Such an incredible track tool. If you understand how to set it up for particular tracks it really rewards. Better driver seat with harness and camber plates are pretty much the only "need to do". Power is just fine at stock levels. Even if the GTS were sitting at a $200k value right now, I would not sell. I do not cross shop to other brands though.

Originally Posted by 2K7

GTS is an unbelievable bargain at current prices. I feel like they are basically giving them away. I remember when people laughed when I said used low mileage testarossas would be worth 100k+ back in 2010 when low mileage examples were selling for $35k or when the F40 had dropped to less than $200k. Hang on to your GTS cars folks. People will look back in history with regret as BMW will not be bringing these track cars back to America for a long time. Low mileage ones especially in SBM will be worth somewhere between $175-$200k+ easily.

[Vladiz93]

I got my GTS for track use only. It does very very well hauling itself around. It is heavy but if you know how to handle it and use it correctly it is an awesome car. No regrets.

[jpdchicago]

Looks like there will not be any left soon.
Only 10 for sale on cars.com for the whole country. Cheapest ones at $80,000 now... most over $85,000.
Still a bargain at any of those prices...

[Rguy]

Word is out. People realize at 80k youre stealing the thing.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Looks like there will not be any left soon.
Only 10 for sale on cars.com for the whole country. Cheapest ones at $80,000 now... most over $85,000.
Still a bargain at any of those prices...

Originally Posted by Rguy

Word is out. People realize at 80k youre stealing the thing.

Three examples sitting on Autotrader for weeks under $80k. Another two on eBay under $80k.

I’m sure all of them are willing to negotiate. This is a sub $80k right now. Anything above $80k and they are collecting dust on dealer lots.

[Darth One]

They’re starting to come off warranty now.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Three examples sitting on Autotrader for weeks under $80k. Another two on eBay under $80k.

I’m sure all of them are willing to negotiate. This is a sub $80k right now. Anything above $80k and they are collecting dust on dealer lots.

Just checked. Only 2 "under 80,000" (the ones I mentioned in my post at 80,000). I do not really consider $79,999 and $79,488 under $80,000...
Sorry about that...Thought one penny did not matter much... $500 may be...

What is noticeable is that we went from around 20 on Cars.com (or Autotrader) last month to around 10 today...
There is a trend.

Congrats to the ones who benefited from those deals!

[Boostin FD]

The ones that are for 79,9 have been for sale forever. Wrong wheels on one and the other... i'm not sure why it's still for sale.

[Gomeler]

Originally Posted by Boostin FD

The ones that are for 79,9 have been for sale forever. Wrong wheels on one and the other... i'm not sure why it's still for sale.

I was communicating with the one in Oklahoma, lowest I could talk them down to was around $76k. I imagine that one will sit around for a long time due to the 763M wheels.

Cargurus is showing 4 cars around $80k, and having watched the supply slowly dry up with summer sports car buying season, I would expect $80k be the lower bound for the GTS until the G82 M4 hits the showrooms. Expecting the M4 Competition to challenge some GTS specs, S58 looks to be a beast.

[2K7]

Originally Posted by Gomeler

Cargurus is showing 4 cars around $80k, and having watched the supply slowly dry up with summer sports car buying season, I would expect $80k be the lower bound for the GTS until the G82 M4 hits the showrooms. Expecting the M4 Competition to challenge some GTS specs, S58 looks to be a beast.

F82 M4 didn't affect M3 GTS prices so doubt it will have much effect on M4 GTS. I expect M4 GTS resale price to skyrocket once BMW confirms it won't be bringing any CSLs to the US.

[2K7]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Three examples sitting on Autotrader for weeks under $80k. Another two on eBay under $80k.

I'm sure all of them are willing to negotiate. This is a sub $80k right now. Anything above $80k and they are collecting dust on dealer lots.

Same cars listed on autotrader and eBay ....

At least 5 GTS have sold in the last 30 days well above 80k in the $85-90+ range. The ones I can remember are Morristown BMW had one for $89k that was then raised to $99k and sold. Another one in Tennessee. Another one in Missouri. All low miles (<1,000) and sold well above $80k.

[2K7]

Originally Posted by Darth One

They're starting to come off warranty now.

Why does that matter for a collector car?

[Darth One]

Originally Posted by 2K7

Why does that matter for a collector car?

My purpose for bringing it up is that I think it's a good idea to buy them before the warranty runs out, so BMW can take care of any issues you find in PPI. Also, it's easier to get CPO or extended warranty on cars that still have factory warranty, or so the sellers of these products tell me.

On your assertion that it's a collector car, I don't think I'd bet against you in the future, but it's certainly not valued like a collector car today. And if I could be really honest with you, I kind of hope that it doesn't - having a 'future collector' car attracts a special kind of bullshit and a type of insufferable owner that I don't appreciate. People on this sub forum are more concerned with driving the piss out of the cars and enjoying them to the fullest, which I like a lot better.

[Gomeler]

Originally Posted by 2K7

F82 M4 didn't affect M3 GTS prices so doubt it will have much effect on M4 GTS. I expect M4 GTS resale price to skyrocket once BMW confirms it won't be bringing any CSLs to the US.

The E92 M3 GTS was a VERY different car than the F82 M4 GTS. E92 M3 had a 4.4L S65, unique to the GTS, and it has an extremely limited release of ~125 units. I don't know a lot about the E92 GTS, but between pricing and the reviews, it sounds like a very special E92.

The F82 M4 GTS has a water injected S55, and ~804 units in its release. I love my GTS, but I know it's just a F82 CS(which they're going to produce a few thousand of) with water injection, a factory cage, and $8k in billet knuckles and KW coilovers.

In my opinion BMW really messed up by giving the F82 CS the same hood/interior as the GTS. They also messed up by planning on 700 units, and then bumping it to 800 units. That being said, if they had limited it to 400-500 units and the GTS stayed above $100k I'm sure I'd be in a GT4 instead Glad I have a GTS, regardless of future value.

[2K7]

Originally Posted by Gomeler

The E92 M3 GTS was a VERY different car than the F82 M4 GTS. E92 M3 had a 4.4L S65, unique to the GTS, and it has an extremely limited release of ~125 units. I don't know a lot about the E92 GTS, but between pricing and the reviews, it sounds like a very special E92.

The F82 M4 GTS has a water injected S55, and ~804 units in its release. I love my GTS, but I know it's just a F82 CS(which they're going to produce a few thousand of) with water injection, a factory cage, and $8k in billet knuckles and KW coilovers.

In my opinion BMW really messed up by giving the F82 CS the same hood/interior as the GTS. They also messed up by planning on 700 units, and then bumping it to 800 units. That being said, if they had limited it to 400-500 units and the GTS stayed above $100k I'm sure I'd be in a GT4 instead Glad I have a GTS, regardless of future value.

Of course the M3 GTS is a very different car than the M4 GTS. One was powered by a V8 NA, the other a twin turbo I6. The M4 GTS got mixed reviews but I don't know anyone who owns one that doesn't love theirs. Legendary cars don't always start their life cycle with glowing reviews. BMW also overproduced the M3 GTS. Last I heard, about ~165 were made. As to your point about the M3 GTS engine, it was also put into the M3 CRT in 2011 of which they made around 70 cars. Both of these cars never made it to the US but people are asking $250K+ for their M3 CRTs.

Have you driven the CS to compare? Not sure how someone who owns a GTS can say a GTS is just a CS with a few "minor" upgrades. GTS feels, handles and sounds very different than a CS. The experience is much more raw. GTS also weighs 400+ lbs less than a CS.

Even at $100K, it would be a no brainer for me comparing the GTS vs GT4. Be interesting to revisit this post in 5-7 years to see what has changed.

[2K7]

Originally Posted by Darth One

My purpose for bringing it up is that I think it's a good idea to buy them before the warranty runs out, so BMW can take care of any issues you find in PPI. Also, it's easier to get CPO or extended warranty on cars that still have factory warranty, or so the sellers of these products tell me.

On your assertion that it's a collector car, I don't think I'd bet against you in the future, but it's certainly not valued like a collector car today. And if I could be really honest with you, I kind of hope that it doesn't - having a 'future collector' car attracts a special kind of bullshit and a type of insufferable owner that I don't appreciate. People on this sub forum are more concerned with driving the piss out of the cars and enjoying them to the fullest, which I like a lot better.

I don't think there were any US cars delivered in 2015? Most GTS cars were delivered sometime in mid-end of 2016 and beyond. They all tend to have very low miles so warranty is going to expire by date rather than mileage. Mine still has 16 months of warranty left and I feel like the average GTS still has over a yr of factory warranty left. I feel like right now, expiring warranty is going to be less of an issue affecting price of the car. I also feel that people who buy the GTS are less likely to care if the warranty is expired as they'll buy the car regardless.

I'm of the opinion that if you buy a car and you want to just leave it sitting in your garage, then that's your choice. I don't judge others for driving their cars too much or too little. Just because a car is considered a collector, doesn't mean you can't drive yours. To each their own ...

[Rguy]

Originally Posted by 2K7

GTS also weighs 400+ lbs less than a CS.

400Lbs less than an a CS? You better do some research.

[Gomeler]

Originally Posted by 2K7

Of course the M3 GTS is a very different car than the M4 GTS. One was powered by a V8 NA, the other a twin turbo I6.

I think you missed my point. The E92 M3 GTS had a 4.4L S65, bored out by BMW from the factory. The E92 M3 S65 was a 4.0L engine in comparison. That's a pretty bespoke part, even if the sedan CRT also got it.

Originally Posted by 2K7

The M4 GTS got mixed reviews but I don't know anyone who owns one that doesn't love theirs. Legendary cars don't always start their life cycle with glowing reviews.

True, but I think part of it is that the GTS is such a niche car, that most people who still own one/are buying them now are really looking for that experience. Legendary is definitely applicable to the GTS, no disagreement here. Picked my GTS up from the detailer this afternoon after the PPF install and starting it up is amazing

Originally Posted by 2K7

BMW also overproduced the M3 GTS. Last I heard, about ~165 were made. As to your point about the M3 GTS engine, it was also put into the M3 CRT in 2011 of which they made around 70 cars. Both of these cars never made it to the US but people are asking $250K+ for their M3 CRTs.

I suppose everyone could debate until the sun dies as to what was an appropriate number for the E92 and F82 GTS production. I think the fact that the last hundred F82 GTS' sat on dealer lots, some for years, kind of indicates too many were made.

Originally Posted by 2K7

Have you driven the CS to compare? Not sure how someone who owns a GTS can say a GTS is just a CS with a few "minor" upgrades. GTS feels, handles and sounds very different than a CS. The experience is much more raw. GTS also weighs 400+ lbs less than a CS.

Yup, test driving a M2, M2C, and a M4CS is what got me interested in the M4GTS. Yes, the suspension and exhaust of the M4GTS makes for a memorable experience, but I at least feel like BMW took a few too many parts(mostly cosmetic) out of the GTS parts bin and put them in the CS.

Also, fuck I wish the GTS weighed 400lbs less than the CS. A ~3100lb GTS would have made for some very interesting GTS vs GT3 comparisons. I won't be gutting my GTS, but if there was a $10k option to shave 400lbs from the factory, I'd pay for it in a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by 2K7

Even at $100K, it would be a no brainer for me comparing the GTS vs GT4. Be interesting to revisit this post in 5-7 years to see what has changed.

The future will be interesting. I don't think the F82 GTS is going to crash like a regular M4, and frankly I'm not worried about it. My only concern is actually not crashing it on a track.

[2K7]

Originally Posted by Rguy

400Lbs less than an a CS? You better do some research.

CS curb weight is ~3600 lbs. GTS ~3300lbs. We're not talking just a "few" pounds in difference.

[Gomeler]

Originally Posted by 2K7

As for the weight, CS curb weight is ~3600 lbs. GTS ~3300lbs. We're not talking just a "few" pounds in difference.

I believe the GTS weighs around 3550 lbs. Lemme find the thread with the car on scales.


edit: 3550lbs here -> https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=25056545

I'll have my car put on scales when I install camber plates for another datapoint.

[2K7]

Originally Posted by Gomeler

The future will be interesting. I don't think the F82 GTS is going to crash like a regular M4, and frankly I'm not worried about it. My only concern is actually not crashing it on a track.

Congrats on your GTS!

People keep complaining that 700 was too many for the GTS. If anything, we should just be thankful that BMW made some 350 of these track ready cars for North America. People complained that BMW never brought these cars to the US. So what did they do? For the first time BMW ever, brought a track focused model to the US and people kept complaining, calling them out, saying they brought TOO many. The reason so many stayed on the lots is not because people didn't want them, it's because dealers wanted ridiculous markups exceeding $340K+ in some cases for a GTS.