718 Cayman GT4

[NYG]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Their desire to protect the 911 is annoying. At least give this thing 450hp and the PDK, then it still won't be faster than the GT3 but it will be closer in speed and a serious track weapon.

100%!!

They refuse to let the 718 overtake the 911 even though it can clearly be a superior car.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by NYG

100%!!

They refuse to let the 718 overtake the 911 even though it can clearly be a superior car.

At least let it be close in HP... with 450hp it would have still been slower but more 2019-like.

It's a lost opportunity. Not like I would have bought one regardless but it's still a shame.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Flacht3

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big PDK fan (I specced my GT3 with a PDK instead of manual, sacrilege right?) But I think people over-estimate the difference it truly makes vs. a manual in the hands of an experienced driver. Want proof? Randy Probst did a Head2Head with the manual and PDK cars and the difference was literally a fraction of a second. Granted a mere mortal like myself is definitely faster with a PDK

I believe the GT3 also has a no-lift-shift mode that helps out. I wish the F80 had this sometimes... at least for the 1-2 shift when racing.

if I'm on the brakes and downshifting into a corner... there really isn't much of a difference between a dct and manual car, especially with rev-match.

[Montaver]

Looks fantastic but doesn't seem like a huge upgrade over the 981, more of a refresh. The reasoning for the non GT3 engine was apparently it doesn't respond well to being de-tuned. If they still haven't changed the gear ratios they have intentionally hobbled it again though which is disappointing. I was hoping for more so 981 values would soften a bit so I could afford one!

[f83woody]

Rumor has it this gen will have an RS edition too. So maybe more to come on that front

[shay2nak]

I did a build of some options you’d find in a F8X and the price came out to $124k. That is insane.

[jlspeed29]

Stupid question ..

The new 718 was/is the Cayman which used to be the Boxster

do I understand that right?

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by jlspeed29

Stupid question ..

The new 718 was/is the Cayman which used to be the Boxster

do I understand that right?

Yes.

On a side note The "regular" 718 now has a 4 cylinder engine

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by shay2nak

I did a build of some options you’d find in a F8X and the price came out to $124k. That is insane.

Buy 124k cayman... three years later its worth 100k. And you still own the car.

Lease 100k M4cs (800/month x 36 months) = three years later you've spent 29k on the lease and you have to turn it back in and lease something else.

Do the math.

Originally Posted by jlspeed29

Stupid question ..

The new 718 was/is the Cayman which used to be the Boxster

do I understand that right?

First generation: Boxster (986) (1996–2004)

Second generation: Boxster/Cayman (987) (2005–2012)

Third generation: Boxster/Cayman (981) (2012–2016)

Fourth generation : 718 Boxster/Cayman (982) (2016–present)

they started calling them "718" after losing 2 cylinders because the old 718 racing car was down on power compared to its competitors and still won the races. Basically a marketing ploy to make you think 4 cylinders are better than 6.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by jlspeed29

Stupid question ..

The new 718 was/is the Cayman which used to be the Boxster

do I understand that right?

The cayman and boxster are essentially the same car with the cayman being a hard top and boxster being a convertible. They are both currently available so not sure what is meant by "cayman which used to be the boxster".

718 is just referring to the current generation (like the F80 is the code for the current M3 generation).

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by shay2nak

I did a build of some options you’d find in a F8X and the price came out to $124k. That is insane.

Spending $124k on a Porsche doesn't seem as insane as $100k on a BMW.

Not sure why you're trying to compare options across different cars and manufactures looking for price parity when it's a completely different vehicle and platform.

Next are you going to compare some M Performance parts and individual paint to McLaren Special Operations parts and prices?

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Buy 124k cayman... three years later its worth 100k. And you still own the car.

Lease 100k M4cs (800/month x 36 months) = three years later you've spent 29k on the lease and you have to turn it back in and lease something else.

Do the math.

Alternative math --

Buy a Cayman with special Porsche options markup for 124k, pay 132k after tax.

If your depreciation projection is accurate, lose 32k.

Lease a CS, drive 36,000 miles, keep your 100k in the most conservative financial instrument available, it’s 112k after three years. meanwhile you’ve paid 29k in lease payments.

But hey, neither are good investments.

back on topic -- I’m still trying to understand if the GT4 has gained 345 lbs. This wouldn’t/doesn’t dampen anyone’s enthusiasm? If the 992 GT3 is +345 lbs. that doesn’t matter to the Porsche GT faithful?

I’m +1 on Porsche overcharging for options because they can ($2400 for nav, huh…). But also silly to me that I’d have to play kiss-ass just to order a GT car, so guess I just don't get it.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I've run my similarly modded E92 (6MT) and E90 (DCT) together and you are right. It is essentially the same, but the DCT/PDK allows the regular driver to not have to do complicated things like engage 2nd while under 1g of lateral force and things like that.

The biggest advantages to DCT/PDK trannys is ease of use and they do not allow you to money shift.


They should have offered the GT4 with PDK and 440hp or so. As it is it will continue being a great weekend whatever car but not worthy of a 'GTx' badge at the track.

Before some troll that spends time in this forum only to discuss Porsches comes and tells me otherwise, I will pay for the troll's track inscription and we will video the event and post it for the forum. The only condition is that the troll themselves have to be the one driving the GT4.

Gee - I have no idea who you could possibly be referring to?

[Arcades]

I was so hoping the new Cayman GT4 has the PDK. Well guess that is another no dice for me.

Damn I was getting my hopes up too.

[JibSTir13]

PDK is rumored to come out second model year of the 718 gt4.

[jlspeed29]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

The cayman and boxster are essentially the same car with the cayman being a hard top and boxster being a convertible. They are both currently available so not sure what is meant by "cayman which used to be the boxster".

718 is just referring to the current generation (like the F80 is the code for the current M3 generation).

Thanks and so is the new 718 Boxter is the Spyder?

[saeyedoc]

Originally Posted by jlspeed29

Thanks and so is the new 718 Boxter is the Spyder?

No, the Boxster has the regular convertible top, the Spyder would have the canopy top.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by jlspeed29

Thanks and so is the new 718 Boxter is the Spyder?

Not exactly. The "spyder" is a special performance oriented edition of the boxster. Think of it like the boxster is to the M4 as the spyder is to the M4 GTS.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by jlspeed29

Thanks and so is the new 718 Boxter is the Spyder?

Originally Posted by saeyedoc

No, the Boxster has the regular convertible top, the Spyder would have the canopy top.

I guess this is living proof that it's true when people say Porsche's product positioning is confusing. There's much more to it than "regular convertible top vs. canopy" but it's not THAT complicated. I'll do my best:

Pre-718 generation there was a "Cayman" and a "Boxster". The "Boxster" came first, obviously, dating back to the 90s. About 10 years later, Porsche decided to make a non-convertible version, enter the "Cayman".

These were always treated as separate models, even if they were essentially the same car. Meaning, the 981 generation (981 is the model designation, just like an E46 etc.) had a "Cayman" and "Boxster" but both were 981s.

Enter the 718, Porsche decided it was confusing to have two different models (Cayman and Boxster) of the same car, so they dropped the names and just called it the 718...so you can order a 718 convertible or a standard 718 (hard-top). So in theory yes, a 718 convertible is the new "Boxster" but they no longer use those names.

The "Spyder" is a special model. Imagine the 718 Convertible as a 4 series convertible, but the "Spyder" is a M4 convertible. Same underlying platform but wildly different animals. Would it have been less confusing to just call it a GT4 convertible...yes. But the "Spyder" nomenclature is what Porsche has been using for this special 718/boxster.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by Flacht3

I guess this is living proof that it's true when people say Porsche's product positioning is confusing. There's much more to it than "regular convertible top vs. canopy" but it's not THAT complicated. I'll do my best:

Pre-718 generation there was a "Cayman" and a "Boxster". The "Boxster" came first, obviously, dating back to the 90s. About 10 years later, Porsche decided to make a non-convertible version, enter the "Cayman".

These were always treated as separate models, even if they were essentially the same car. Meaning, the 981 generation (981 is the model designation, just like an E46 etc.) had a "Cayman" and "Boxster" but both were 981s.

Enter the 718, Porsche decided it was confusing to have two different models (Cayman and Boxster) of the same car, so they dropped the names and just called it the 718...so you can order a 718 convertible or a standard 718 (hard-top). So in theory yes, a 718 convertible is the new "Boxster" but they no longer use those names.

The "Spyder" is a special model. Imagine the 718 Convertible as a 4 series convertible, but the "Spyder" is a M4 convertible. Same underlying platform but wildly different animals. Would it have been less confusing to just call it a GT4 convertible...yes. But the "Spyder" nomenclature is what Porsche has been using for this special 718/boxster.

That not true. Porsche still calls them the boxster and cayman, just with 718 in front of it now. Here is a screen shot direct from Porsche's website.

See my explanation right above yours which I think summarized it a little more clearly.

[jlspeed29]

dam thanks guys for the explanations ...didnt mean to derail the thread but clearly the nomenclature is confusing.. and not nearly as straightforward as the 911's.. or maybe because i am more familiar with those models (grail car for me)

[///M Ryder]

All of you guys that have "wood" for a 718 GT4 relax. Word is production will be "unlimited" (keep in mind that unlimited means 1 less than demand in Porsche talk)….so find yourself a local dealer and order as many as you can. Me and the rest of my 981 GT4 brothers will thank you for keeping our values intact. And I know you guys won't believe this but the hating on the new model is just as strong on the Pcar side as it is in BMW land. Just think about all of the E46 vs E9X vs F80 hatred threads. I'll reserve judgement on the 718 GT4 until I actually drive one. My plans are to keep my 981 since the current specs on the 718 aren't enough to justify switching. Plus with only 11k on the clock in 3.5 years mine still smells new ……..Phil