2015 M4 vs 2016 Camaro SS

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

the vette has been a solid performance car and the Camaro has really stepped up lately. the numbers on this new car are ridiculous!! a ZL1 or Z/28 version should be a real M3 beater... still big cars that feel good and other factors keeping the M3 safe overall, but the Camaro has come out swinging!

Agree, competition brings better cars for us all.. Especially when the tech trickles down.. Something tells me the Comp pack for the M3 is going to move the class bar..

Just as the Mustang as the Camaro, and well even the Hellcat.

[black335i]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Agree, competition brings better cars for us all.. Especially when the tech trickles down.. Something tells me the Comp pack for the M3 is going to move the class bar..

Just as the Mustang as the Camaro, and well even the Hellcat.

Probably slightly better suspension and increased power similar to a stage 1 JB
And different wheels

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by black335i

Probably slightly better suspension and increased power similar to a stage 1 JB
And different wheels

Most likely an unfound ability to put the power to the ground

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Most likely an unfound ability to put the power to the ground

Living in San Diego I don't find an issues putting the power down in any gear.

This new camaro is looking great, performance wise and styling wise...interior especially.

[Bunkei]

I have to reserve judgment until I see the car in the flesh ...

[TTG]

They sure came longways and GM is doing a better job.

However, I still would not consider one.

I have owned nothing but GM performance (LT1, LS1) cars during late 90s and early 2000's. My last one was a 2002 WS6. They were great cars for 1st 5K miles then started falling a apart. (I see that GM is STILL having rear diff issues with these cars.....same old story)

Between the dealer experience, repeated quality issues and endless repairs I moved away from them. I still adore them though and this new guy sure looks like a beast!

[CirrusSR22]

Initial reviews are out. Generally all extremely positive.

Motor Trend - SS 6M
3,672 lbs
12.4 @ 114.6
4.0 to 60 MPH
24.1 Figure 8
1.00 G Avg.
$38,600 as tested

http://beta.motortrend.com/car-revie...t-test-review/

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Car and Driver - SS 8A
3,760 lbs
12.3 @ 116
3.9 to 60 MPH
.99 G Avg.
$47,480 as tested

http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/20...ic-test-review

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Automobile Magazine

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...camaro-review/

[DocWeatherington]

That's a lot of performance for 48k

[dkhm3]

great stats. too many sports cars out now.... hope there are enough buyers.

once you get into the 40k+ people will start looking at lux cars instead of a chevy. A lot of options open up @ 50k, especially when you consider leases and rates as well as monthly payment which is what people these days do when shopping for cars. Since few people buy their cars outright, it is going to be hard to justify a payment for the camaro ss vs a similar lux car.

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

That's a lot of performance for 48k

I like the $38,600 figure better!

[nicknaz]

Kudos to GM on the weight savings and improved interior

For $38k chevy I'm personally still quite fixated on a pre-modded c6z06.

Badging/social stereotypes being what they are, I wouldn't give up my F80 to daily drive a Camaro, and if I'm getting a weekend only/fun car, stock SS trapping 116 for $38k is not extreme enough

[fusionchicken]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Kudos to GM on the weight savings and improved interior

For $38k chevy I'm personally still quite fixated on a pre-modded c6z06.

Badging/social stereotypes being what they are, I wouldn't give up my F80 to daily drive a Camaro, and if I'm getting a weekend only/fun car, stock SS trapping 116 for $38k is not extreme enough

Damn are we the same person you typed exactly what I was going to type lol

[Bunkei]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Kudos to GM on the weight savings and improved interior

For $38k chevy I'm personally still quite fixated on a pre-modded c6z06.

Badging/social stereotypes being what they are, I wouldn't give up my F80 to daily drive a Camaro, and if I'm getting a weekend only/fun car, stock SS trapping 116 for $38k is not extreme enough

Agreed. Buying a stock SS as a weekend car isn't worth it, as it doesn't provide any performance advantages vs a stock F8X (though the V8 sound would be intoxicating). However, the next Z28/ZL1 will be a different story.

I know most people on this forum wouldn't ever consider a Chevy Camaro SS to be anything remotely competitive (overall) with a F8X, but let BMW be warned that it will be become more and more difficult to justify the exploding price of the M cars. If it were my money, I definitely would not take a Camaro SS over a F8X. I WOULD take the new GT350 over the F8X in a heartbeat. It's just not worth it for the BMW name.

[evanescent03]

I've been looking at the new 6th Gen camaro and it seems like a pretty comparable car in grunt/speed/quickness. the interior is better. but guys who are placing orders are hitting 50k! that's with pickup truck seats. the 1Le is probably the one I would consider but obviously yhr jury is out and my 68k msrp m3 was only 63k out the door. that extra 10-15k goes a long way. I was considering a mustang gt or camaro ss to drop my debt a bit but I decided I'd just be losing too much (bigger & more accessible back seat, going UP in weight/size, down in interior environment comfort and actually feel like I'm sitting HIGHER in the coupe, same or worse performance, same or worse support for track day information sharing on forums, MPG way worse, etc etc).

I've decided I'm definitely keeping the m3. even the gt350 (non-r) is giving up a lot and not (if any) less expensive than my car. if I decide I want to go this route I'd probably go with the slower mustang GT with manual and Recaro and performance pack... only $35k, add ford racing suspension ($1300), maybe a cat back, still be under $40k and have a totally non lux car but still has some character and pretty inexpensive.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

even the gt350 (non-r) is giving up a lot and not (if any) less expensive than my car. if I decide I want to go this route I'd probably go with the slower mustang GT with manual and Recaro and performance pack... only $35k, add ford racing suspension ($1300), maybe a cat back, still be under $40k and have a totally non lux car but still has some character and pretty inexpensive.

The GT350 is likely to have better collectibility/resale due to "Shelby" name, and Mustang GT have historically depreciated like rocks, so I would lean towards the GT350 since the total cost to own for a couple of years might be similar or even less than regular GT

Sort of like how base 991 and GT4 are similar MSRP, but the GT4 is probably going to be cheaper to own in the end due to holding its value.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

The GT350 is likely to have better collectibility/resale due to "Shelby" name, and Mustang GT have historically depreciated like rocks, so I would lean towards the GT350 since the total cost to own for a couple of years might be similar or even less than regular GT

Sort of like how base 991 and GT4 are similar MSRP, but the GT4 is probably going to be cheaper to own in the end due to holding its value.

valid points. my wife probably wouldn't agree though she would just think it's an excuse to buy a more expensive car. I have decided I'll just stick with the M3. it's perfect for me. the gt350 is too hard to find right now and I don't want to have to pay $50+ (with track pack and market adjustment $60+?) for a car that I actually like even less than the m3.

I do think your points are good though.

[MaugDog]

You can picture Burt Reynolds sitting in the drivers seat with a cowboy hat and trademark chest hair. Too retro for me...

[DocWeatherington]

[Dalko43]

Carlos (the guy who left MotorTrend) or Jeremy Clarkson needs to do a 6th Gen Camaro vs GT350 Mustang comparison....I'd love to see these 2 cars compete on the track...and maybe throw in the M4 for good measure.

[ForTehNguyen]

[DocWeatherington]

[RaezerSharp]

It is a beast, looks classy, and quite rare.