GetBMWParts
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Technical Topics > Wheels | Tires -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-02-2018, 11:52 AM   #133
hooligan317
Enlisted Member
United_States
23
Rep
42
Posts

Drives: 2018 F80 M3 - YMB ZCP DCT
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carmel, IN

iTrader: (0)

Looking at a set of SM-10's for track work next season. Car is an 18 ZCP F80 (steel brakes) on KW HAS and GC camber plates. I believe I saw earlier in the thread that you recommend a staggered setup to allow for more tire in the rear? Just want to confirm recommended config:

18x10 et25 - 275/35/18 (5mm spacer required for the KW HAS? - Could run 18x9.5 et22 and go no spacer?)
18x11 et44 - 305/35/18

Accurate?
Appreciate 0
      11-02-2018, 04:04 PM   #134
Expert@ApexWheels
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Expert@ApexWheels's Avatar
3522
Rep
6,702
Posts


Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hooligan317 View Post
Looking at a set of SM-10's for track work next season. Car is an 18 ZCP F80 (steel brakes) on KW HAS and GC camber plates. I believe I saw earlier in the thread that you recommend a staggered setup to allow for more tire in the rear? Just want to confirm recommended config:

18x10 et25 - 275/35/18 (5mm spacer required for the KW HAS? - Could run 18x9.5 et22 and go no spacer?)
18x11 et44 - 305/35/18

Accurate?
hooligan317,

Thanks for the question. The 18x10" ET25 is typically a great fitment up front, however KW suspensions are known to cause clearance issues. For a customer running KW Variant series or Clubsports, a 5mm is typically sufficient to clear. However, in our experience the KW HAS limits clearance just a bit more than a coilover, and a 5mm spacer may not be enough to adequately clear. For your specific setup, I believe the 18x9.5" ET22 would be the better choice as it provides 9mm additional inner clearance compared to the 18x10" ET25.

For the rear, the 18x11" ET44 with 305/35-18 tires is a tried and true fitment and will work great on your car.

Let us know if you have any other questions
__________________
Appreciate 0
      11-03-2018, 07:18 AM   #135
///BMW Junkie
Major
///BMW Junkie's Avatar
United_States
474
Rep
1,009
Posts

Drives: AW M4
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Washington DC

iTrader: (0)

Order placed for satin black SM-10's in 19x10 and 19x11 Apex definitely made the process easy with their fitment guides and great service. S/O to Matt for taking the time to discuss tires Can't wait to see my AW M4 fitted with these new shoes and 305's
__________________
Pure F82
Appreciate 0
      11-03-2018, 08:22 AM   #136
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21117
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Expert@ApexRaceParts View Post
hooligan317,

Thanks for the question. The 18x10" ET25 is typically a great fitment up front, however KW suspensions are known to cause clearance issues. For a customer running KW Variant series or Clubsports, a 5mm is typically sufficient to clear. However, in our experience the KW HAS limits clearance just a bit more than a coilover, and a 5mm spacer may not be enough to adequately clear. For your specific setup, I believe the 18x9.5" ET22 would be the better choice as it provides 9mm additional inner clearance compared to the 18x10" ET25.

For the rear, the 18x11" ET44 with 305/35-18 tires is a tried and true fitment and will work great on your car.

Let us know if you have any other questions
If I am not mistaken, it is the tire tread that rubs on KW HAS strut and not the shoulder nor the wheel, hence the wheel width will have little incidence in reducing the rub. It is mostly about the offset, so an 9.5”ET22 wheel would only marginally improve clearance by 3mm over a 10”ET25 wheel for a given tire.

Further, I find the 10” wide wheel to not be quite wide enough to offer proper shoulder support for my 275/35R18 front tires. If I were to redo my setup, I would go with 18X10.5ET27 wheels for the front. IMO a 9.5” wheel would only make this worse.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black

Last edited by CanAutM3; 11-03-2018 at 09:45 AM..
Appreciate 0
      11-11-2018, 08:36 PM   #137
Cirruspilot
New Member
5
Rep
10
Posts

Drives: BMW M4
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M4trix View Post
Order placed for satin black SM-10's in 19x10 and 19x11 Apex definitely made the process easy with their fitment guides and great service. S/O to Matt for taking the time to discuss tires Can't wait to see my AW M4 fitted with these new shoes and 305's
Awesome can't wait for pics! Are you lowered at all? hoping to do the exact same setup, I'm on eibach springs and wondering if ill have rubbing issues...
Appreciate 1
      11-26-2018, 02:50 AM   #138
Kief
Major General
Kief's Avatar
4433
Rep
5,729
Posts

Drives: '24 iX50; '23 i4 M50
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika

iTrader: (26)

I mounted up my snows...Apex EC-7 19x9.5 et22 squared with 255/35/19 Mich Alpin P4
Attached Images
  
__________________
__________________
'24-I20 iX 50; '23-G26 i4 M50; '22-G82 M4Cx*;20-G05 M50i*; '20-F82 M4CS*; '18-F80 M3CS*; '18-F80 M3CS*; '18-F85 X5M*; '18-G01 X3M40i*; '18-F80 M3ZCP*; '17-F80 M3ZCP*; '15-F15 X5*; '15-F82 M4*; '12-E92 335is*; '11-E70 X5d; '11-E89 Z435is*;'09-E89 Z435i*; '08-E92 335i*; '06-E90 330i*; '05-E83 X3*; '04-E83 X3*; '03-E46 325Ci* *retired
Appreciate 0
      11-26-2018, 12:27 PM   #139
Jockey
Brigadier General
Jockey's Avatar
3448
Rep
4,982
Posts

Drives: 992 C4S
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Park City, UT

iTrader: (1)

Eagerly awaiting the car to get here from the other side of the country
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      12-14-2018, 11:45 AM   #140
Eddy@ApexWheels
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Eddy@ApexWheels's Avatar
444
Rep
1,658
Posts


Drives: E30 M3, F10 M5
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (6)

New 19" SM-10 wheels on our customer Chris's F80 M3 - looks really good on this chassis and provides plenty of brake clearance for the carbon ceramic brakes.

Front:
19x10" ET25 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
265/35-19 Bridgestone RE71R

Rear:
19x11" ET44 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
305/30-19 Bridgestone RE71R






__________________
Appreciate 1
MannyM5196.50
      12-15-2018, 08:15 AM   #141
AMOR
First Lieutenant
AMOR's Avatar
102
Rep
352
Posts

Drives: F90
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy@ApexRaceParts View Post
New 19" SM-10 wheels on our customer Chris's F80 M3 - looks really good on this chassis and provides plenty of brake clearance for the carbon ceramic brakes.

Front:
19x10" ET25 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
265/35-19 Bridgestone RE71R

Rear:
19x11" ET44 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
305/30-19 Bridgestone RE71R






Hi, it is nice to see this setup in 19” size being released! The price bites a little though, will it settle a bit over time? Also are there any clearance issues? Spacers needed? I will be tracking my car heavily next season so thinking about getting a full race set of wheels. Here are my thoughts, a little guidance would be appreciated!

I’m running on 20” competition wheels and upgraded the tires from PSS to PS4S and love them. They have been through 3 track days and still holding well. But I understand it’s not a full track tire and to perform on serious level I need another set of wheels and race rubber. I’ve settled on getting Apex wheels but cannot decide which way to go:
1. Staggered 18” setup EC7 18/11 rear and 18/10 front with 275/305 tires. Very popular setup but does not give much tire choices, basically only 888 and NT01 are the options.
2. Staggered 19” setup SM10 19/11 rear and 19/11 front with 275/305 tires is higher priced in terms of both wheels and tires but gives a lot of tire options to choose from, so if I decide on staggered i’d rather go with 19-th.
3. I actually prefer the design of ARC-8 and love it in bronze, so my third option would be to run 18/10 square setup and 275/35 tires all round. There are lots of tire choices in this size and price is really good for both wheels and especially tires, which is important factor since I will be wasting a lot of rubber. I also can get the wheels I like the most and in bronze color I like the most. The downside is obviously the loss of grip at the rear due to narrower tire. By the way is it possible to run 285/35 square on 18/10 arc8 wheels? Or perhaps semi-staggered 275/35 front and 285/35 rear if the front 285/35 does not clear?

Any help and advice is much appreciated as I’m at a loss and cannot decide.
Appreciate 0
      12-15-2018, 11:27 AM   #142
jfritz27
Major
jfritz27's Avatar
1107
Rep
1,301
Posts

Drives: 2018 F80 CS
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (0)


Front:
19x10" ET25 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
265/35-19 Bridgestone RE71R
Rear:
19x11" ET44 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
305/30-19 Bridgestone RE71R


Sorry if you guys addressed this previously (I looked), but would this exact setup clear the MP HAS on an F80?

Thanks much.
Appreciate 0
      12-17-2018, 11:54 AM   #143
CRRobert
Private First Class
55
Rep
193
Posts

Drives: 18 Avus Blue ZCP M3
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Denver, CO

iTrader: (0)

Looking to get M3 and some SM-10 for summer/track. I currently have a 340ix. Does anybody know if my winter rims from 340ix will work? Have a 19x9 ET35 and 19x8.5 ET 35 with 255/35/19 on.
Appreciate 0
      12-17-2018, 02:22 PM   #144
Expert@ApexWheels
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Expert@ApexWheels's Avatar
3522
Rep
6,702
Posts


Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AMOR View Post
Hi, it is nice to see this setup in 19” size being released! The price bites a little though, will it settle a bit over time? Also are there any clearance issues? Spacers needed? I will be tracking my car heavily next season so thinking about getting a full race set of wheels. Here are my thoughts, a little guidance would be appreciated!

I’m running on 20” competition wheels and upgraded the tires from PSS to PS4S and love them. They have been through 3 track days and still holding well. But I understand it’s not a full track tire and to perform on serious level I need another set of wheels and race rubber. I’ve settled on getting Apex wheels but cannot decide which way to go:
1. Staggered 18” setup EC7 18/11 rear and 18/10 front with 275/305 tires. Very popular setup but does not give much tire choices, basically only 888 and NT01 are the options.
2. Staggered 19” setup SM10 19/11 rear and 19/11 front with 275/305 tires is higher priced in terms of both wheels and tires but gives a lot of tire options to choose from, so if I decide on staggered i’d rather go with 19-th.
3. I actually prefer the design of ARC-8 and love it in bronze, so my third option would be to run 18/10 square setup and 275/35 tires all round. There are lots of tire choices in this size and price is really good for both wheels and especially tires, which is important factor since I will be wasting a lot of rubber. I also can get the wheels I like the most and in bronze color I like the most. The downside is obviously the loss of grip at the rear due to narrower tire. By the way is it possible to run 285/35 square on 18/10 arc8 wheels? Or perhaps semi-staggered 275/35 front and 285/35 rear if the front 285/35 does not clear?

Any help and advice is much appreciated as I’m at a loss and cannot decide.
Thanks for the post! We do not plan on making any price changes to the 19" SM-10, however we do plan to offer group buys next year for these wheels, where you can save quite a bit as well as get free US shipping. You can sign up for group buy notifications directly on our homepage, www.apexraceparts.com to ensure that you don't miss the next one.

Regarding your track setup options, if these wheels will be a dedicated set for the track, we definitely recommend 18" since both the wheels and tires will be significantly lighter and less expensive.

If your car is on stock suspension or lowering springs, we recommend the 18x10" ET25 front and 18x11" ET44 rear setup with 275/35 front tires and either 295/35 or 305/35-18 rear tires. If you're on coilovers that reduce inner clearance up front such as KW, Bilstein, Öhlins, you can substitute the 18x9.5" ET22 up front with 265/35-18 tires for a spacer-free fitment.

This leaves the EC-7, SM-10, or FL-5 as your available options. We do not recommend the 18" ARC-8 for the F8x platform since the caliper to barrel clearance is extremely tight up front, and introduces the possibility of rocks/debris getting stuck between them and causing damage.

Hope this helps!

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfritz27 View Post

Front:
19x10" ET25 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
265/35-19 Bridgestone RE71R
Rear:
19x11" ET44 SM-10 wheels in anthracite
305/30-19 Bridgestone RE71R


Sorry if you guys addressed this previously (I looked), but would this exact setup clear the MP HAS on an F80?

Thanks much.
The 10" ET25 up front typically needs 5mm or larger spacers and some negative camber to clear the MP HAS kit. You can substitute the 19x9.5" ET22 up front to gain an additional 12mm of inner clearance and eliminate the need for spacers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRRobert View Post
Looking to get M3 and some SM-10 for summer/track. I currently have a 340ix. Does anybody know if my winter rims from 340ix will work? Have a 19x9 ET35 and 19x8.5 ET 35 with 255/35/19 on.
While these wheels will fit the M3, they will be quite conservative and pretty limiting on tire width for a car with this much power. We'd definitely recommend getting a dedicated set for the M3 that will allow for at least 265-width tires all around.

Check out our F8x fitment guide for all of our recommendations along with photos: https://support.apexraceparts.com/hc...-Fitment-Guide

--Dylan
__________________

Last edited by Expert@ApexWheels; 12-17-2018 at 03:22 PM..
Appreciate 0
      12-18-2018, 09:14 AM   #145
jfritz27
Major
jfritz27's Avatar
1107
Rep
1,301
Posts

Drives: 2018 F80 CS
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (0)

Thank you kindly.... definitely will consider the group buy in the future!
Appreciate 0
      12-18-2018, 11:05 AM   #146
Jockey
Brigadier General
Jockey's Avatar
3448
Rep
4,982
Posts

Drives: 992 C4S
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Park City, UT

iTrader: (1)

Winter setup is finally on
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      12-22-2018, 05:53 PM   #147
CRRobert
Private First Class
55
Rep
193
Posts

Drives: 18 Avus Blue ZCP M3
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Denver, CO

iTrader: (0)

Got 19x9.5 ET22 and 19x11 et44 SM-10 on the way. Anybody have 285 or 295 on the rear versus the 305? I am curious if the 285/295 in MPS4S would look too stretched on the 11” rim. 265 will be on the front
Appreciate 0
      01-12-2019, 01:18 PM   #148
Kief
Major General
Kief's Avatar
4433
Rep
5,729
Posts

Drives: '24 iX50; '23 i4 M50
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika

iTrader: (26)

Silver EC-7 19x9.5 et22 squared with 255/35/19 on my freshly picked up M3CS
Attached Images
        
__________________
__________________
'24-I20 iX 50; '23-G26 i4 M50; '22-G82 M4Cx*;20-G05 M50i*; '20-F82 M4CS*; '18-F80 M3CS*; '18-F80 M3CS*; '18-F85 X5M*; '18-G01 X3M40i*; '18-F80 M3ZCP*; '17-F80 M3ZCP*; '15-F15 X5*; '15-F82 M4*; '12-E92 335is*; '11-E70 X5d; '11-E89 Z435is*;'09-E89 Z435i*; '08-E92 335i*; '06-E90 330i*; '05-E83 X3*; '04-E83 X3*; '03-E46 325Ci* *retired
Appreciate 0
      01-12-2019, 02:51 PM   #149
CRRobert
Private First Class
55
Rep
193
Posts

Drives: 18 Avus Blue ZCP M3
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Denver, CO

iTrader: (0)

My SM-10 in Anthracite with MPS4S, 19x9.5et22 with 265/35/19 and 19x11et44 with 305/30/19 ready to install.








Last edited by CRRobert; 01-12-2019 at 03:00 PM..
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2019, 06:48 PM   #150
Expert@ApexWheels
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Expert@ApexWheels's Avatar
3522
Rep
6,702
Posts


Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jockey View Post
Winter setup is finally on
Looks great and will keep your car nice and safe during the winter months

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kief View Post
Silver EC-7 19x9.5 et22 squared with 255/35/19 on my freshly picked up M3CS
The silver EC-7's look incredible on your CS Thanks for sharing!

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRRobert View Post
My SM-10 in Anthracite with MPS4S, 19x9.5et22 with 265/35/19 and 19x11et44 with 305/30/19 ready to install.
Can't wait to see these bad boys installed The 305 in the rear is a great choice and will look/perform great.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2019, 10:16 AM   #151
AndreyM3
Registered
0
Rep
3
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 2016
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Moscow

iTrader: (0)

I have KW Clubsport var3 on my m3 and I want to get sm-10. As I understand, it is better to get 19x9.5 up front? Or 10j would be better with 3-5mm spacer? Thnx in advance.
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2019, 10:23 AM   #152
CLS1
New Member
CLS1's Avatar
12
Rep
15
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 BSM
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Are the 18x11 EC-7's in silver still back ordered till March(this is for a F80 M3)?
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2019, 12:20 PM   #153
Expert@ApexWheels
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Expert@ApexWheels's Avatar
3522
Rep
6,702
Posts


Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreyM3 View Post
I have KW Clubsport var3 on my m3 and I want to get sm-10. As I understand, it is better to get 19x9.5 up front? Or 10j would be better with 3-5mm spacer? Thnx in advance.
Thanks for the post! You're correct, the 19x9.5" ET22 has 9mm of additional inner clearance compared to the 10" ET25, which negates the need for spacers. The 10" ET25 will require 3mm or 5mm spacers to clear (and may still be close), depending on ride height and tire brand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CLS1 View Post
Are the 18x11 EC-7's in silver still back ordered till March(this is for a F80 M3)?
They are, and you can still place an order now to reserve a set for when they do arrive.

--Dylan
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2019, 08:57 AM   #154
AndreyM3
Registered
0
Rep
3
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 2016
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Moscow

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Expert@ApexRaceParts View Post
Thanks for the post! You're correct, the 19x9.5" ET22 has 9mm of additional inner clearance compared to the 10" ET25, which negates the need for spacers. The 10" ET25 will require 3mm or 5mm spacers to clear (and may still be close), depending on ride height and tire brand.



They are, and you can still place an order now to reserve a set for when they do arrive.

--Dylan
Ok, thnx! As I also want to get a stud kit i'll go for for 9.5 wheels up front.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:24 PM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST