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YES ... I would choose the S65 if an option at this price would be availiable | 93 | 45.81% | |
NO ... I would choose the standart S55 engine | 110 | 54.19% | |
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12-23-2013, 04:10 PM | #199 | |
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with that said. we all need to think about people view points. i have view points about the car, as do you. |
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As someone who has owned every generation M3 including both E9X sedan and current coupe as well as the 1M, I have nothing but love for all of them. Seems to me that you have some sort of bias against the E9x for some reason which makes it difficult to discuss. I should have stopped when you brought out the YouTube kill videos to support your claim.
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The current course of discussion reminds me of the late 90's car and driver forum. Back then acceleration times really helped sell sports/sporty cars, so everyone waited for the latest issue of car and driver so we could all argue times. Nowadays though, the Automotive world is changing. Currently gas mileage matters more and more, as govenerment regulations require vehicles with higher gas mileage.
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Well the answer is simple (..aside from the fact that I'm incredibly fickle when it comes to cars and I've already explained this to you more times than I can remember that I've already owned many E46 and E9X M cars; I got bored!).... ....I refuse....ABSOLUTELY REFUSE....to drive an automatic car (..C63 AMG) regardless of how good it looks to me and the only Porsche that I would spend my hard earned coin on - a GT2 or GT3 - I cannot afford yet! The 335i makes a good filler car until I can get my hands on an F80. I sure as hell wasn't going to pony up for A FOURTH E9X ///M car when the new car was less than a year away. Surely you can comprehend that logic; maybe not! |
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idk how a 335 is more exciting than a M3 (stock for stock). also i agree on the auto thing. but i do like DCT, which is much better than the typical auto. so yes i do not see the logic in getting a less exciting car. |
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...and I ended up selling the X5, so the 335i is a filler car. I considered buying a 2013 Frozen Black M3, but decided against it because......it was yet another E9X and it was DCT. I guess my point is simply this: don't assume so much!!!!! I don't know how somebody could get tired of fucking a hot movie star chick either, but it happens all of the time. Sometimes you just need something new. See the post above. |
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This point has been discussed prior. I don't call it "extensive" myself since none was used structurally in body. The new CFRP as compared to the E92 M3 is roof brace, drive shaft and trunk lid. BMW marketing I believe calls it extensive and also call it i3/i8 derived, the latter is clearly false no matter what diction one chooses.
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My concern for the F8x is it seems to be unknowingly following in the footsteps of AMG and Japanese performance cars, while in the process distancing itself from its M lineage. Even Corvette has successfully remained true to its small block lineage, despite stringent fuel standards and new technologies, which fuels its mystique among young and old enthusiasts alike. What set M cars and to a greater extent Porsche and Ferrari apart from every other manufacture was their race car inspired NA engines, stratospheric red line, Valhalla exhaust note and scalpel like steering response and handling. With M3's moving to FI, it becomes another FI car in a sea of FI powered cars now distanced by the GTR and Porsche Turbo. Duckworth said, "turbochargers are for people who can't build engines." A bit harsh but the same argument made from the inception of this forum against Japanese sports cars, AMG and later, BMW's own turbo charged engines. I am certain the F8x will be a fine sports car. I just think in the process, the M division will continue lose a bit of luster and prestige among true sports car enthusiasts.
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about that quote though. i think its fair to say they can make a N/A engine to have better MPG and better power. but its just easier and cheaper go turbo route. not to mention Europe has to many government regulations and taxes. some places people get taxed on displacement of engine. a 3.0L engine sounds good to many people. i think the US is like the only place that can still make "real" n/a engines. other than the exotics that new corvette has a 6.2L V8 that is going to get good MPG. but lets be honest, corvette is either a V8 or bust! |
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Long time no see ruff. It's nice to see you back on the board again. I'm sure that lucid, swamp2 and some of the other old guard will appreciate your resurgence. I must ask though - in an effort to get you dialoging again - what is your opinion of Ferrari's decision to go turbo? Surely that will infringe on the heritage of their tried and true race inspired N/A engine. |
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Don't get me started on the E46 M3 times! sheesh! That's why they were nicknamed car and bimmer.
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I'm not gonna lie. I fell into that G35 hype......regretted less than a few months later. Thank God it was stolen. It felt like such a pig. |
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That car was still a game changer! Too bad infiniti fumbled the ball going after BMW. Make no mistake about it, those high horsepower VQ engines in the G35/350Z, were a BIG reason why BMW brought out the big guns and overbuilt the 335I's N54.
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You make great points, but it just really felt anemic. Even my 2002 BMW 330ci felt better through the rev range. I suppose it didn't help that I went straight from a 2003 M3 into the 2004 G35 (..how I managed to stay objective was beyond me). Boy was I glad when somebody wanted it more than me and decided to take it off of my hands while I was out of town. I was in a 2005 M3 before the insurance even sent the payoff check. Good riddance! |
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