Active Autowerke VS Remus Midpipe???

mitch32 · 05-19-2016, 09:34 AM

I'm supposed to receive a ZCP M4 in the next 2 weeks and I'm looking to upgrade the midpipe on delivery (order it before the car comes). Eventually I will run a JB4 and downpipes but for the first year (or more depending) it will only be the midpipe and coilovers just incase I need to frequent the dealer.

So Remus Midpipe or Active Autowerke? The price is about the same, Remus is a 2 pipe all the way and AA is 2-to-1-to-2.

mike@x-ph.com · 05-19-2016, 12:40 PM

Both very high quality products

Not sure how you get the price for the Remus midpipe , it is not sold separate

mitch32 · 05-19-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Both very high quality products

Not sure how you get the price for the Remus midpipe , it is not sold separate

https://www.vividracing.com/catalog/...150937180.html

supremepower · 05-19-2016, 10:56 PM

The remus will give you a deep tone with a bit of a growl on throttle, but the Active will be very deep with minimal rasp.

Haven't seen it paired with stock, but here's Remus paired with Dinan:

& Active with dp:

Brasko · 05-19-2016, 11:23 PM

I've been considering both brands as well.

Would like to see a comparison of both mid-pipes paired with MPE along with data on turbo spool, sound, etc. Think I will end up going with Remus unless Active Autowerke's design really does sound as good as they claim.

Anyone know if/how the Active Autowerke mid-pipe changes the torque curve and turbo spool/lag? Noticed a moderate dip between 3500-4000rpm in their dyno graph compared to the stock dyno run.

mitch32 · 05-20-2016, 09:17 AM

Mpe won't do much since really minus the resonator the stock exhaust and mpe are both straight through when exhaust valves are open. Oval piping I know makes a difference in sound, and the active autowerkes does have oval piping.

That drop in torque looks like the Ecu is compensating and/or adjusting boost. I doubt mechanically the exhaust would cause a dip, more likely a computer compensation due to increased flow or overboost.

CaryTheLabelGuy · 05-20-2016, 09:27 AM

Honestly, if you are ordering a ZCP, I'd wait to hear the ZCP exhaust before you automatically change the mid-pipe. The ZCP exhaust sounds damn good as it is and rivals some aftermarket exhausts.

EALm4 · 05-20-2016, 09:46 AM

Did someone say Remus? Group buy?

Kr3st · 05-20-2016, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brasko

I've been considering both brands as well.

Would like to see a comparison of both mid-pipes paired with MPE along with data on turbo spool, sound, etc. Think I will end up going with Remus unless Active Autowerke's design really does sound as good as they claim.

Anyone know if/how the Active Autowerke mid-pipe changes the torque curve and turbo spool/lag? Noticed a moderate dip between 3500-4000rpm in their dyno graph compared to the stock dyno run.

Search is key.

Check the video on there. David explains it in the post.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1217568

M4 GTS · 05-20-2016, 03:47 PM

I would love to hear stock exhaust with Remus mid-pipe

BMWFanatic2008 · 10-08-2016, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by M4 GTS

I would love to hear stock exhaust with Remus mid-pipe

+1. Anyone with this setup?

Cancelled1234 · 12-30-2016, 12:04 AM

I have non-resonated Remus midpipe on stock exhaust on my 2016 M4. I will have pics and videos soon. I like the sound.

David@ActiveAutowerke · 12-30-2016, 10:10 AM

We installed a mid pipe on a ZCP not too long ago and noticed that it sounds quite different than the standard F8X muffler.

hexone · 12-30-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by David@ActiveAutowerke

We installed a mid pipe on a ZCP not too long ago and noticed that it sounds quite different than the standard F8X muffler.

Sounds great, now I just need to figure out if I need to also upgrade stock exhaust to zcp lol. I have heard arguments from both sides that they are different or they are the same. Not sure what I think at this point.

David@ActiveAutowerke · 12-30-2016, 12:05 PM

They physically look the same, but they do have different part numbers and in our experience they sound different.

mike@x-ph.com · 12-30-2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbosek

I have non-resonated Remus midpipe on stock exhaust on my 2016 M4. I will have pics and videos soon. I like the sound.

Sub'd

Agent11br · 12-30-2016, 02:17 PM

CaryTheLabelGuy · 12-31-2016, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hexone

Sounds great, now I just need to figure out if I need to also upgrade stock exhaust to zcp lol. I have heard arguments from both sides that they are different or they are the same. Not sure what I think at this point.

Bro. Anybody that tells you the M-Sports exhaust is the same as the non-ZCP exhaust should not be listened to. It's a well-known fact at this point that they are different and the M- Sports exhaust sounds better by a LONG shot.

hexone · 12-31-2016, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

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Originally Posted by hexone

Sounds great, now I just need to figure out if I need to also upgrade stock exhaust to zcp lol. I have heard arguments from both sides that they are different or they are the same. Not sure what I think at this point.

Bro. Anybody that tells you the M-Sports exhaust is the same as the non-ZCP exhaust should not be listened to. It's a well-known fact at this point that they are different and the M- Sports exhaust sounds better by a LONG shot.

No, I mean standard f80 vs zcp exhaust, not mperf lol

Shmelgy · 12-31-2016, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hexone

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Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

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Originally Posted by hexone

Sounds great, now I just need to figure out if I need to also upgrade stock exhaust to zcp lol. I have heard arguments from both sides that they are different or they are the same. Not sure what I think at this point.

Bro. Anybody that tells you the M-Sports exhaust is the same as the non-ZCP exhaust should not be listened to. It's a well-known fact at this point that they are different and the M- Sports exhaust sounds better by a LONG shot.

No, I mean standard f80 vs zcp exhaust, not mperf lol

So does he. BMW refers to the zcp exhaust as "m-sports muffler" which is not the same as M Performance

CaryTheLabelGuy · 12-31-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shmelgy

So does he. BMW refers to the zcp exhaust as "m-sports muffler" which is not the same as M Performance

Exactly.

The ZCP exhaust is called the M Sports exhaust. Not to be confused with the M Performance exhaust, which is a totally different design and made of Ti.

LOW4LYF · 12-31-2016, 05:24 PM

Remus with ZCP

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mitch32 First Lieutenant 126 Rep 316 Posts Drives: F82 ZCP Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Michigan iTrader: (3)	Mpe won't do much since really minus the resonator the stock exhaust and mpe are both straight through when exhaust valves are open. Oval piping I know makes a difference in sound, and the active autowerkes does have oval piping. That drop in torque looks like the Ecu is compensating and/or adjusting boost. I doubt mechanically the exhaust would cause a dip, more likely a computer compensation due to increased flow or overboost.
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