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      09-05-2017, 03:52 PM   #67
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I looked into these for a while but went with something fast instead. Is your X5D really that problematic? I think I'm going to look at a diesel cayenne and a7 in a couple years...presuming the authorities don't pull them all off the road and crush them over dieselgate.
all modern diesel cars (VW, Jeep, BMW, MB) are going to have the same issues with diesel emissions equipment malfunction. My X5 had a ton of it throughout it's life, thankfully all covered under original/CPO/limited 10-year warranties. The X5 had 1 major issues that was fixed under CPO not related to emissions, which was defective turbos and oil leaks.

That said, the car has been bulletproof for over 1 year now since my last fix.

Also the VW diesels are legal and will be legal. There's already a settlement for the I-5 diesels, current owners of the V6 diesels will get a pretty hefty check from VW, likely around $7k-$10k. So most people are holding on to them until the passing of the record date for settlement.
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      09-05-2017, 04:05 PM   #68
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"How much are carmax warranties?
Phil also told me the warranty costs range from $2,299 for 6 years/75,000 miles to $3,799 for 6 years/125,000 miles, all with a $100 deductible. "
Here is an example of BMW Coverage, which can be extended to 6 or 7 years on a MY16 328i xDrive with the 1 year CPO / Unlimited Miles

$2,499 for 6 years / unlimited miles and $3,799 for 7 years / unlimited miles both with $50 Deductible.

Coverage:
Comprehensive coverage:
Engine
Transmission
Final Drive Assembly
Transfer Case (all-wheel-drive only)
Electrical
Cooling System
Fuel System
Induction System
Steering
Brakes and ABS
Heat and A/C
Infotainment System (iDrive system)
Limited coverage:
Interior and Exterior

Why should i go to CarMax? Unless I am saving thousands of dollars.
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      09-05-2017, 04:06 PM   #69
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Quite weak of them, look's to me as partly them lacking confidence in their product.

Lexus quality/reliability is looking better and better.
Sure if you don't actually mind looking at the ugly styling the Lexus cars now have.
.....as compared to contemporary BMW design language.

Sheesh, at least Lexus styling isn't yawn-inducing. I'm still on the fence about the Lexus aesthetic, but they are bold. Definitely don't think of "bold" and BMW in the same phrase.

Current BMW's are safe, signal affluence while remaining inoffensive. Guess the current design language is simply bland.
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Mind sharing alternatives -- examples? Do they have the same engine performance as BMW M's?

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I'm glad you asked. AMG/RS has similar, if not better engine performance. But if I just cared about straight line speed, then I would simply get a corvette, camaro, or GT350.

As for chassis engineering it's hard to argue against what porsche, alfa, and GM have done as of late. As I mentioned in my previous post, the steering feel on BMWs have been embarrassing. EPS can only be blamed so much. My s2000 had significantly better feel and rolled off the assembly line 14 years ago. Shockingly (pun somewhat intended), my current i3 has better steering feel than my 2er.

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Here is an example of BMW Coverage, which can be extended to 6 or 7 years on a MY16 328i xDrive with the 1 year CPO / Unlimited Miles

$2,499 for 6 years / unlimited miles and $3,799 for 7 years / unlimited miles both with $50 Deductible.

Coverage:
Comprehensive coverage:
Engine
Transmission
Final Drive Assembly
Transfer Case (all-wheel-drive only)
Electrical
Cooling System
Fuel System
Induction System
Steering
Brakes and ABS
Heat and A/C
Infotainment System (iDrive system)
Limited coverage:
Interior and Exterior

Why should i go to CarMax? Unless I am saving thousands of dollars.
I think you need to ask Doug Demuro about CarMax and it's savings; I believe CarMax you can get coverage on older car being more than 5 years old. Therefore it might make sense to go that route rather than bmw CPO. In any case all of these penny pinching tactics won't fly well. Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, Infiniti will takeaway many customers especially not the die-hard bmw guys. I'm one of those die-hard guys and after my recent car quality issues and;not backing it's products up. I have hard time dreaming of another bmw. Might actually fork over cash and buy a Porsche or New Corvette.
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Quite weak of them, look's to me as partly them lacking confidence in their product.

Lexus quality/reliability is looking better and better.
Sure if you don't actually mind looking at the ugly styling the Lexus cars now have.
.....as compared to contemporary BMW design language.

Sheesh, at least Lexus styling isn't yawn-inducing. I'm still on the fence about the Lexus aesthetic, but they are bold. Definitely don't think of "bold" and BMW in the same phrase.

Current BMW's are safe, signal affluence while remaining inoffensive. Guess the current design language is simply bland.
Somewhat bland is better than seriously fucking ugly !!
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I think you need to ask Doug Demuro about CarMax and it's savings; I believe CarMax you can get coverage on older car being more than 5 years old. Therefore it might make sense to go that route rather than bmw CPO. In any case all of these penny pinching tactics won't fly well. Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, Infiniti will takeaway many customers especially not the die-hard bmw guys. I'm one of those die-hard guys and after my recent car quality issues and;not backing it's products up. I have hard time dreaming of another bmw. Might actually fork over cash and buy a Porsche or New Corvette.
I agree with you. Once you have a bad experience it's makes you think twice if not 3 times to go back, and I my self would start looking at other companies.
Now as far as the coverage for the CPO goes, MB offer up to 6 years / unlimited miles, Audi offer, up to 6 years / 100K miles, Lexus offer up to 6 years and unlimited miles, so BMW's up to 7 years / unlimited miles new CPO offering isn't that different. They still offer up to 3 years of CPO, but now the dealers are choosing the 1 year CPO prog to keep the cost down.
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Wow this is bad for everyone. Increased marginalization of BMW products... Less quality, less service, more plastic, more SUVs, more slushboxes, more emissions controls and nannies.
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I think you need to ask Doug Demuro about CarMax and it's savings; I believe CarMax you can get coverage on older car being more than 5 years old. Therefore it might make sense to go that route rather than bmw CPO. In any case all of these penny pinching tactics won't fly well. Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, Infiniti will takeaway many customers especially not the die-hard bmw guys. I'm one of those die-hard guys and after my recent car quality issues and;not backing it's products up. I have hard time dreaming of another bmw. Might actually fork over cash and buy a Porsche or New Corvette.
I agree with you. Once you have a bad experience it's makes you think twice if not 3 times to go back, and I my self would start looking at other companies.
Now as far as the coverage for the CPO goes, MB offer up to 6 years / unlimited miles, Audi offer, up to 6 years / 100K miles, Lexus offer up to 6 years and unlimited miles, so BMW's up to 7 years / unlimited miles new CPO offering isn't that different. They still offer up to 3 years of CPO, but now the dealers are choosing the 1 year CPO prog to keep the cost down.
Yeah people read the thread headline and post without thinking about the benefit of more options.
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straight

I really don't like where this is going...too many changes they better be working on something. It's definitely getting less appealing.

but where to go???
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My 135i CPO period ends April 2019. I'll drive the hell out of it until that time, then put my money in an automaker who stands behind their product a bit more.
You mean Hyundai. Best warranty in the business.
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Well,..this could only mean one of two things,...either the reliability is getting better BMWs,...or it's getting worst! Either way,...drive the heck out of it! Get your money's worth!
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Most dealers don't CPO M cars anyway so if you were considering an M nothing's really changed. The extended warranty is a better deal anyway since you can choose coverage terms and get a prorated refund if you punt the car. Only time CPO matters is if the packaged it with a finance promo. CPO was more about creating a new car experience with a used car purchase. They probably lost enough money with CPO over the years they would rather use those dollars to amp up new car sales and leases since used cars doesn't move metal out of the factories.
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Good thing my next car will hopefully be a Porsche lol.
You'll be paying for your warranty there... by way of zero discount or silly lease prices!!!
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Quite weak of them, look's to me as partly them lacking confidence in their product.

Lexus quality/reliability is looking better and better.
This.

When all other car companies, domestic or not, seem to be extending warranties and providing up to 10 years, they are shortening it. Unreal.
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You mean Hyundai. Best warranty in the business.
Hyundai design is getting better by the day, they just need to get interior quality up to scratch and driving dynamics up a notch and they may actually be a serious contender!!
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This will be my last BMW.
Because of the CPO warranty?

What?

BMW is cutting back-end costs so they can be more competitive in new car pricing. Right? What am I missing?
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Wow bmw. You suck. Does this only apply to cars sold today or any future CPOd car?
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That's not good business. We'll see how the residuals drop after leases are up. Yikes!
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Another reason I will pony up the cash and buy a CPO porsche. A company that stands by its products. 3 bmw's currently leased all going back in next 2 years.
When my 4 yr old 22k miles Boxster, bought new, needed a complete new engine (IMS) Porsche stood up and told me to take a hike. Never set foot in a Porsche dealer again. Never will. YMMV.
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4-yr/50k free maintenances and 2-yr/100k CPOs have been carrots to hook some among family and friends to stay in bimmers. The new round of car purchase for these folks may head to other brands.

What is the best warranty/maintenance program these days? The best deal in past few years was 2012-2013(?) Volvo summer sales, which came with 6-yr/60k new car warranty + maintenance(which includes brakes and wiper blades at the time). Which brand can beat that deal these days?
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