Moving on from F80 - what are your thoughts on my next car choices?

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Its ALOT easier to get into a bmw lease compared to a Porsche, especially a GT car.

Eh this isn't relevant to me as I'm not going to lease. If I buy a Porsche GT car, it's going to be for (very) long term ownership

[JoeFromPA]

People get really screwy over a vehicles value, price, lease options, etc.

A few things to note:

- The Ferrari won't depreciate much - the cost of ownership will be in maintenance. There are people on here who won't pause a breath to lose $10k a year in vehicle depreciation but think a $10k repair bill is hard to swallow. They have the same impact to your wallet.

- While Porsche offers good resale value, the perception of ridiculous resale value is absurd. There are rare instances, but as a brand porsche depreciates fairly normal when calculated against mileage on vehicles up to 10-15 years old. What 911s in particular do is they don't depreciate much for age; they depreciate for mileage/condition.

- Leases are a utility cost. You pay to have access to a vehicle for a certain time period and a certain mileage. If you pay $1500 a month for a lease of a 15k mile a year vehicle compared to $750 a year for 7,500 miles in the same vehicle then the utility cost is the same if use use that mileage. I've seen folks compare say a 5,000/mile a year lease deal is "good" compared to another vehicle's 10,000/mile a year lease deal; but not compare the utility cost.

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In regards to the OP and the purpose of this thread: OP you are getting out of a car due to lack of passion. There's nothing objective about that. Go drive the ducking cars and form an opinion and then report back!

P.s. I chose not to pay off my m3 early but I'm about to pay it off after 5 years at 2% interest. I'm beginning to think of keeping the m3 because it's such an excellent year round DD with good utility yet fun. It might make a good stablemate to a 911 T or 991.2 S

[nicknaz]

Joe, speaking from experience, I wouldn’t overlap an F80 and non GT 911. Pretty similar in overall intent, with a bit more emphasis on sport for the 911.

Is your f80 a cloth seats, 6mt, cf roof stripped down car? Keep that thing forever

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Joe, speaking from experience, I wouldn’t overlap an F80 and non GT 911. Pretty similar in overall intent, with a bit more emphasis on sport for the 911.

So true

[jmg]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Well, when an M3 in CS form can easily cost over $100K, and the M4 GTS was like $120K......a Cayman GT4 being $110-$120K...even $130K doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.

There is a reason why there wasn't many M3 CS owners up until a few months ago when they stated to be heavily discounted. The M4 GTS was a misstep as well. The GT4 needs to stay very close to $100k or less to be competitive.

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by jmg

There is a reason why there wasn't many M3 CS owners up until a few months ago when they stated to be heavily discounted. The M4 GTS was a misstep as well. The GT4 needs to stay very close to $100k or less to be competitive.

agree..no arguments from me!

[JoeFromPA]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Joe, speaking from experience, I wouldn’t overlap an F80 and non GT 911. Pretty similar in overall intent, with a bit more emphasis on sport for the 911.

Is your f80 a cloth seats, 6mt, cf roof stripped down car? Keep that thing forever

Thanks.

Yes, my f80 is cloth seats, 6mt, CF roof, total stripper except for adaptive suspension. I've maintained it as well (more frequent oil changes). Bout to hit 60k miles actually.

Best car I've ever owned. I'll touch the brakes for the first time around 80k. Nothing else has ever been needed and it's holding up both physically and mechanically like a tank.

[BIGW0RM]

I went 991.2 911 GTS and couldn't be happier. Loved my F80 M3, but I dont need 4 doors anymore and got really tired of the squeaks and rattles.

[Damage Inc]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Either would be completely a "fun" car. We have a 2018 S4 and a 2000 Xterra we use daily.

So what did you decide?

I'm similar to you, I missed the excitement of the high rev N/A motors. Tried and M3 and M2, great daily drivers but lacked the connection and emotion at high rev's / sound. I would love the M2 as a DD if budget allowed. Fun car.

I went to a 991.1 GTS. Fantastic car but just didnt feel it justified the $100k price tag. Went to an R8 and very happy with the 8200 N/A V8 exhaust and road presence.

Maybe consider a manual R8 - gives you the look / feel / event of an F car but with German reliability, build quality, and driving feel. Not a track machine like a GT4 but quite capable and fun to drive spirited.

Plus fits your budget of around $80k. Minimal deprecation.

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc

Went to an R8 and very happy with the 8200 N/A V8 exhaust and road presence.

Maybe consider a manual R8 - gives you the look / feel / event of an F car but with German reliability, build quality, and driving feel. Not a track machine like a GT4 but quite capable and fun to drive spirited.

Plus fits your budget of around $80k. Minimal deprecation.

Love my manual R8 4.2 Spyder

It doesn't have the ballsiest engine or latest tech (neither of which is a top priority to me), but that silky smooth pull to redline, V8 soundtrack, and clickity clackity shifter gives a feeling like no other. My favorite moment is executing the perfect 2-3 shift at redline and getting that ka-chunk! from the shifter and having no shift shock from the perfectly timed rev drop/flywheel mass into 3rd. I have yet to experience anything like it, and still get tingles down my spine every time. It's stuff like that which makes the R8 special.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by ntgarage44

Love my manual R8 4.2 Spyder

It doesn't have the ballsiest engine or latest tech (neither of which is a top priority to me), but that silky smooth pull to redline, V8 soundtrack, and clickity clackity shifter gives a feeling like no other. My favorite moment is executing the perfect 2-3 shift at redline and getting that ka-chunk! from the shifter and having no shift shock from the perfectly timed rev drop/flywheel mass into 3rd. I have yet to experience anything like it, and still get tingles down my spine every time. It's stuff like that which makes the R8 special.

Ive never been in a R8. But the way you wrote that made me feel like I was driving one. I could feel what you were saying.

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc

So what did you decide?

I'm similar to you, I missed the excitement of the high rev N/A motors. Tried and M3 and M2, great daily drivers but lacked the connection and emotion at high rev's / sound. I would love the M2 as a DD if budget allowed. Fun car.

I went to a 991.1 GTS. Fantastic car but just didnt feel it justified the $100k price tag. Went to an R8 and very happy with the 8200 N/A V8 exhaust and road presence.

Maybe consider a manual R8 - gives you the look / feel / event of an F car but with German reliability, build quality, and driving feel. Not a track machine like a GT4 but quite capable and fun to drive spirited.

Plus fits your budget of around $80k. Minimal deprecation.

Interesting, I'm test driving a loaded 991.1 C4S today...I'll report back. R8 has been on my mind as well, though if I did an R8, I'd be tempted to do a twin-turbo kit on it.

[tropicalypso]

If I could afford one, I'd go with a 911.

...but they're so damn expensive.

[UGADawgFan]

I think I've found my vehicle- getting a pre-purchase inspection done on Monday but assuming that goes well, this is the one: a loaded 991.1 911 Carrera 4S, PDK, Sport Chrono, Sport Exhaust, 20" Carrera classic wheels- among other options. It's a very loaded car (based on the VIN, it was a $136K build). Of course, it's way slower than my F80 in a straight line, but feels sublime in handling, has a way better ride, and sounds amazing- especially with the exhaust valves open.

Just need to swap out the steering wheel the Sport Design wheels with paddles and the car will be perfect!

[gatorfast]

Can't go wrong with a 911. Still can't believe they put those push button shifters on the 991.1s but should be an easy swap out.

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Can't go wrong with a 911. Still can't believe they put those push button shifters on the 991.1s but should be an easy swap out.

oh man..it's awful. it's not intuitive at all to use. the front sides of both paddles are to upshift and rear buttons are downshift. on top of that, shifting from the shifter is opposite from the DCT..push up to upshift, pull back to downshift.

the correct steering wheel is about $1200 installed total ($900 for wheel, $300 for labor) so not horrible. it's an easy DIY, but I believe the paddles have to be coded by the dealer so may as well pay them.

[Damage Inc]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Can't go wrong with a 911. Still can't believe they put those push button shifters on the 991.1s but should be an easy swap out.

Yes, the buttons on a 911 are hideous. That engineer has to have been fired by now lol. While you can get used to them best to swap the entire wheel out.

You can even go to a 991.2 wheel which is waaaaay better. Search rennlist. If I kept my GTS I would have done it.

Did you get Sport PASM or normal?

911's are great driving machines. I may have kept mine if it was a manual. Too perfect. R8 is a bit more raw sounding and drama.

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc

Yes, the buttons on a 911 are hideous. That engineer has to have been fired by now lol. While you can get used to them best to swap the entire wheel out.

You can even go to a 991.2 wheel which is waaaaay better. Search rennlist. If I kept my GTS I would have done it.

Did you get Sport PASM or normal?

911's are great driving machines. I may have kept mine if it was a manual. Too perfect. R8 is a bit more raw sounding and drama.

If the wheels wasn't so butt ugly- AND if Porsche would have made the upshift/downshift normal on the shifter itself (back for upshift, up for downshift), I could lived with the buttons.

Glad to hear I can do a 991.2 wheel, that's perfect!

This car has Sport PASM.

Incidentally, the dealer has a V10 R8 in stock. I'd have looked at it, but it's a red exterior (which is fine), but tan interior (gross).

[Humdizzle]

^ lol at the buttons and the gear lever being opposite. Well, i guess i shouldn't say opposite as some people like it this way. I'm used to BMW having it down to upshift in the ZF auto.

Now what about column mounted vs steering wheel mounted paddles ?

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

^ lol at the buttons and the gear lever being opposite. Well, i guess i shouldn't say opposite as some people like it this way. I'm used to BMW having it down to upshift in the ZF auto.

Now what about column mounted vs steering wheel mounted paddles ?

The people who like it that way are just wrong

As far as steering wheel paddles, both are fine, but I had a gun to my head..I think I'd pick column mounted over the steering wheel mounted. I drove a Giulia Quad for awhile and loved the column mounted paddles.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

If the wheels wasn't so butt ugly- AND if Porsche would have made the upshift/downshift normal on the shifter itself (back for upshift, up for downshift), I could lived with the buttons.

Glad to hear I can do a 991.2 wheel, that's perfect!

This car has Sport PASM.

Incidentally, the dealer has a V10 R8 in stock. I'd have looked at it, but it's a red exterior (which is fine), but tan interior (gross).

Ive had two recent 991.2 911's (17&19) and neither of them were backwards shifting.

Exact same as DCT.

That said, I HAVE been in a maccan that had the center console shifter backwards. That was whack. Why they did that, I dont know.

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Ive had two recent 991.2 911's (17&19) and neither of them were backwards shifting.

Exact same as DCT.

That said, I HAVE been in a maccan that had the center console shifter backwards. That was whack. Why they did that, I dont know.

Definitely backwards in the 991.1 ..see pic -- you can see you have to push forward to upshift (lame!)