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2014-2015 | 6MT | Stock | No SCH 103 6.56%
2014-2015 | 6MT | Stock | SCH Failure 6 0.38%
2014-2015 | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 37 2.36%
2014-2015 | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 10 0.64%
2014-2015 | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 20 1.27%
2014-2015 | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 6 0.38%
2014-2015 | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 10 0.64%
2014-2015 | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 5 0.32%
2014-2015 | DCT | Stock | No SCH 151 9.61%
2014-2015 | DCT | Stock | SCH Failure 3 0.19%
2014-2015 | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 100 6.37%
2014-2015 | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 11 0.70%
2014-2015 | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 45 2.86%
2014-2015 | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 8 0.51%
2014-2015 | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 25 1.59%
2014-2015 | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 7 0.45%
2016 | 6MT | Stock | No SCH 57 3.63%
2016 | 6MT | Stock | SCH Failure 3 0.19%
2016 | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 26 1.65%
2016 | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 3 0.19%
2016 | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 14 0.89%
2016 | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 4 0.25%
2016 | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 5 0.32%
2016 | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Stock | No SCH 9 0.57%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Stock | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 0 0%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 2 0.13%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 0 0%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 1 0.06%
2016 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2016 | DCT | Stock | No SCH 112 7.13%
2016 | DCT | Stock | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2016 | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 45 2.86%
2016 | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2016 | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 27 1.72%
2016 | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 0 0%
2016 | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 8 0.51%
2016 | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 3 0.19%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Stock | No SCH 19 1.21%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Stock | SCH Failure 0 0%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 5 0.32%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 0 0%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 5 0.32%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 3 0.19%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 3 0.19%
2016 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2017 | 6MT | Stock | No SCH 17 1.08%
2017 | 6MT | Stock | SCH Failure 0 0%
2017 | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 7 0.45%
2017 | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2017 | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 6 0.38%
2017 | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 0 0%
2017 | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 1 0.06%
2017 | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Stock | No SCH 20 1.27%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Stock | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 4 0.25%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 3 0.19%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 3 0.19%
2017 | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2017 | DCT | Stock | No SCH 42 2.67%
2017 | DCT | Stock | SCH Failure 0 0%
2017 | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 8 0.51%
2017 | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2017 | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 10 0.64%
2017 | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2017 | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 3 0.19%
2017 | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Stock | No SCH 49 3.12%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Stock | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 15 0.95%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 0 0%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 11 0.70%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 0 0%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 6 0.38%
2017 | DCT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2018+ | 6MT | Stock | No SCH 53 3.37%
2018+ | 6MT | Stock | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2018+ | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 9 0.57%
2018+ | 6MT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2018+ | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 2 0.13%
2018+ | 6MT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 6 0.38%
2018+ | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 1 0.06%
2018+ | 6MT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 0 0%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Stock | No SCH 61 3.88%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Stock | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 13 0.83%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure 2 0.13%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 7 0.45%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 4 0.25%
2018+ | 6MT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 1 0.06%
2018+ | DCT | Stock | No SCH 76 4.84%
2018+ | DCT | Stock | SCH Failure 4 0.25%
2018+ | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 16 1.02%
2018+ | DCT | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure) 6 0.38%
2018+ | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 10 0.64%
2018+ | DCT | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 4 0.25%
2018+ | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 4 0.25%
2018+ | DCT | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 3 0.19%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Stock | No SCH 101 6.43%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Stock | SCH Failure 4 0.25%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | No SCH 21 1.34%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Modified 450-500 whp | SCH Failure) 4 0.25%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | No SCH 20 1.27%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Modified 500-550 whp | SCH Failure 5 0.32%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | No SCH 17 1.08%
2018+ | DCT Comp Package | Modified 550+ whp | SCH Failure 14 0.89%
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      03-08-2019, 10:33 AM   #111
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Should i change sch part for bm3 stage1? what do you think? (2015 dct m4)
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Should i change sch part for bm3 stage1? what do you think? (2015 dct m4)
I would change it because it is way cheaper than having to replace the entire engine for $25k or more.
I would install at least the Crank Bolt Capture from VTT because from what I have been reading this seems to resolve most of the issues but I am afraid that this will not resolve the issue with the slipping sprockets.

I have also a 2015 M4 DCT and I am afraid that we are going to have to replace the crank hub with a one piece crank hub (like the solution from Gintani). It seems that later production models (> December 2015) received a new bedplate design and friction plates but as it turns out this is not a solution either.

The Gintani kit is a relatively taken expensive solution because it is going to be very labour intensive. I am estimating a total cost of somewhere between $4,000 and $5,000.
For the Crank Bolt Capture from VTT I am estimating it would cost in total about $800 to $1,000.

Or offcourse another option is to not change anything and save you the money and deal with the costs later on when and if you will ever encounter damage caused by a spinning crank hub.

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I would change it because it is way cheaper than having to replace the entire engine for $25k or more.
I would install at least the Crank Bolt Capture from VTT because from what I have been reading this seems to resolve most of the issues but I am afraid that this will not resolve the issue with the slipping sprockets.

I have also a 2015 M4 DCT and I am afraid that we are going to have to replace the crank hub with a one piece crank hub (like the solution from Gintani). It seems that later production models (> December 2015) received a new bedplate design and friction plates but as it turns out this is not a solution either.

The Gintani kit is a relatively taken expensive solution because it is going to be very labour intensive. I am estimating a total cost of somewhere between $4,000 and $5,000.
For the Crank Bolt Capture from VTT I am estimating it would cost in total about $800 to $1,000.

Or offcourse another option is to not change anything and save you the money and deal with the costs later on when and if you will ever encounter damage caused by a spinning crank hub.
i totally agree with you.
we need to it under guarantee.
i want to load this tool also. the same with yout solution.thanks for the reply.Crank Bolt Capture from VTT
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Hi Everyone,

I noticed a trend but the poll does not help emphasize the SCH issue. See the picture attached for the results. The SCH has a less than 10% chance of happening if stock. IF the car does spin a SCH, the majority have all been on tunes. The stock SCHs are happening on majority of 6MT cars after 2016. The stock DCT does not have as much SCHs on ANY of the model years except 2018.

Therefore I would assume that the stock 6MTs having SCH are money shifts, and the higher odds of SCHs happening are tune related.

AGAIN, I know this is a small sample of being reported, but it is an easy analysis to run. IF we can get more votes and push people to answer these questions more often we can find a better correlation. All I see is that tunes are primary reasons for REPORTED failures.
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Hi Everyone,

I noticed a trend but the poll does not help emphasize the SCH issue. See the picture attached for the results. The SCH has a less than 10% chance of happening if stock. IF the car does spin a SCH, the majority have all been on tunes. The stock SCHs are happening on majority of 6MT cars after 2016. The stock DCT does not have as much SCHs on ANY of the model years except 2018.

Therefore I would assume that the stock 6MTs having SCH are money shifts, and the higher odds of SCHs happening are tune related.

AGAIN, I know this is a small sample of being reported, but it is an easy analysis to run. IF we can get more votes and push people to answer these questions more often we can find a better correlation. All I see is that tunes are primary reasons for REPORTED failures.
What I would find even more interesting is what % of ALL SCH (regardless of tune/trans) caused piston/valve contact VS. those which only required hub replacement.
Perhaps those that voted can tell us.
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I am afraid that these numbers don't say anything about anything. For example for the 2014-2015 | 6MT | Stock model there were no reported issues but is it then okay to conclude that these cars are non-affected? Absolutely not, this just means that those that answered the poll had no issues. It says nothing more or less than that.

I have a 2014-2015 | DCT | Stock and from the poll there were 44 respondents with the same car and only 1 respondant had an issue. Does this mean there is a 2,27% change of having an issue? Does this mean that 1 out of every 44 F8x sold have this issue? No and No.

I hate playing the devils advocate but this numbers mean absolutely nothing.

It would be more interesting to know what the drivers were doing exactly when they had the issue. Was it a money shift? Where did redlining with the oil not yet on temperature? Were they just revving the engine to show off? Was it because of a kickdown with the DCT?

That more and more non-stock cars have this issue is somewhere normal I guess because BMW builds a car that can handle a specific power / torque within a specific set of parameters. You cannot possible expect to get more out of your engine without the necessary adjustments, maybe thus also including the crank hub.

That stock cars suffer from this I find peculiar and then I wonder what these drivers were doing. I cannot believe like some reported that it was just backing out from the garage. I call this B.S.
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I am afraid that these numbers don't say anything about anything. For example for the 2014-2015 | 6MT | Stock model there were no reported issues but is it then okay to conclude that these cars are non-affected? Absolutely not, this just means that those that answered the poll had no issues. It says nothing more or less than that.

I have a 2014-2015 | DCT | Stock and from the poll there were 44 respondents with the same car and only 1 respondant had an issue. Does this mean there is a 2,27% change of having an issue? Does this mean that 1 out of every 44 F8x sold have this issue? No and No.

I hate playing the devils advocate but this numbers mean absolutely nothing.

It would be more interesting to know what the drivers were doing exactly when they had the issue. Was it a money shift? Where did redlining with the oil not yet on temperature? Were they just revving the engine to show off? Was it because of a kickdown with the DCT?

That more and more non-stock cars have this issue is somewhere normal I guess because BMW builds a car that can handle a specific power / torque within a specific set of parameters. You cannot possible expect to get more out of your engine without the necessary adjustments, maybe thus also including the crank hub.

That stock cars suffer from this I find peculiar and then I wonder what these drivers were doing. I cannot believe like some reported that it was just backing out from the garage. I call this B.S.
I do agree that people are embarrassed to admit that they are hooning or mis shifting when they have a SCH. I think DCT kickdown is surely a possible thing to point to. My primary focus was to show that tuned cars were reported more than the stock cars. Almost 100% for some years.
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I'm curious now if BMW quietly put rev matching on all modes in 6MT cars for MY2018 to help mitigate some of this issue.

The consensus seems to be sudden RPM changes are causing SCH.
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I'm curious now if BMW quietly put rev matching on all modes in 6MT cars for MY2018 to help mitigate some of this issue.

The consensus seems to be sudden RPM changes are causing SCH.
I have a 2018 M4 6MT and Sport+ does not have the rev matching . Wish it did though since I'm not all that good at heel/toe.
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I have a 2018 M4 6MT and Sport+ does not have the rev matching . Wish it did though since I'm not all that good at heel/toe.
I think it was cars produced after March 2018. Mine has rev matching in all modes and I went to get it coded off. It's convoluted to remove because it's not an option box that you check on and off.
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It would be more interesting to know what the drivers were doing exactly when they had the issue. Was it a money shift? Where did redlining with the oil not yet on temperature? Were they just revving the engine to show off? Was it because of a kickdown with the DCT?

That stock cars suffer from this I find peculiar and then I wonder what these drivers were doing. I cannot believe like some reported that it was just backing out from the garage. I call this B.S.
^This.

What was the predominant factor in stock cars that caused this would be helpful.

Backing out of the garage causing SCH = faulty part.

Luck of the draw does not instill confidence as I'm looking for an M2C...
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This poll is completely inaccurate. I've messaged several of the people that selected SCH failure (trying to get more info) and they said it was a mis-click. I also hit SCH failure by mistake and had no way to undo it after I realized what I had done. Just an FYI.
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This poll is completely inaccurate. I've messaged several of the people that selected SCH failure (trying to get more info) and they said it was a mis-click. I also hit SCH failure by mistake and had no way to undo it after I realized what I had done. Just an FYI.
If that's the case then maybe moderators can change it?
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This poll is completely inaccurate. I've messaged several of the people that selected SCH failure (trying to get more info) and they said it was a mis-click. I also hit SCH failure by mistake and had no way to undo it after I realized what I had done. Just an FYI.
I also went and check on those people and some don't even own an S55 M3/M4 and the rest with SCH...most never reported a SCH in this forum...go figure!

I don't have faith in the accuracy of the poll results anymore
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Can i change my answer from no to yes? i just spun last night. 6mt MY2016 m4. e85 tune 24,700 miles.
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Can i change my answer from no to yes? i just spun last night. 6mt MY2016 m4. e85 tune 24,700 miles.
Sorry to hear that. You'll need to PM one of the moderators to update your selection.
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Can i change my answer from no to yes? i just spun last night. 6mt MY2016 m4. e85 tune 24,700 miles.
Kickdown, WOT, normal driving?
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Can i change my answer from no to yes? i just spun last night. 6mt MY2016 m4. e85 tune 24,700 miles.
Kickdown, WOT, normal driving?
Friend was driving.... was logging 20 mins prior to it happening. actually happened around 50mph while cruising. here is my last log

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My car honestly never hit redline. Always babied her since new. i just like the power..
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My car honestly never hit redline. Always babied her since new. i just like the power..
You were quite close to redline actually. See my reply to your thread here: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=30

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Peak boost is at 22 psi, so that's not what caused the SCH. For reference, I've had boost as high as 31 psi with full E85 and stock turbos. Currently, my max boost is set to 28 psi.

3rd gear peak RPM = 7,225
4th gear peak RPM = 7,358
6th gear top speed = 137 mph

Suffice to say, all of the above were unnecessary given that the stock turbo power curve tends to fade after 6,000 RPM. I've also debated the lack of need for 3rd gear log run with another member before. See posts 17-21 in the following thread: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=23636419

I'm going on 2 years strong (knock on wood) with 200+ combined log runs, 1/4 mile, and 1/2 mile passes. The only difference is I do my log runs at 2,000 RPM in 4th gear, then upshift to 5th at 6,2000 RPM.

What you described with what took place prior to the SCH is very similar to the last handful occurences that have been shared on BP.
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What a crock of sh1t this thread is.
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