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the e92 needed the DCT to keep it in the narrow powerband. Much easier to shuffle between gears and be at the right rpm with a dct. the f80 has such a large broad powerband that you really don't need to push it all the way to redline or downshift to scoot around traffic or slide the back end around. and yes dct in the f80 will mask the lag between shifts. you can keep the throttle at one position and shift up without needing to spool the turbo up again. but there is still alot of lag in these cars. they dont feel NA at all. not that thats a bad thing.
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As far as the S55 not feeling naturally aspirated, out of all the turbo cars I've driven, yes GTR included, the W205 C63 S and the F8x DCT are the two closest to feeling naturally aspirated to me. Sure they'll never have the "instant" response when you jab the throttle but they sure come real close. Driving the 6MT F8x definitely feels more like a turbo car to me. Chris Harris also commented once the F80 M3 DCT feels naturally aspirated and he's driven pretty much every high-performance car, N/A or Forced Fed so take that for what it's worth. I also don't find the S65 in my E92 to have a narrow powerband, sure it doesn't really get moving till past 4k but you could short shift it and still land in a pretty meaty part of the power curve. A narrow powerband to me would be an S2000, or any Honda B series motor or Toyota 2ZZ where once you don't time your shift perfectly at redline you'll fall out of the high lift lobe and it feels like an eternity to pick up again. |
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You ask for a 6 speed Manual. I agree with performance aspect of DCT. I test drove One. Anyone age of 10 years of age who can see over the dash and reach the pedals with 3 minutes of driving instruction can drive auto M3 in minutes. Wait if they can reach the pedals Wait if they can start the car they can drive it with DCT |
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No one asks for an Automatic M3. Bias much? In fact less than 25% ask for manual and each iteration of the M3 has seen less and less manuals. Just because a 10 year old can drive a dct proves nothing. Are you suggesting F1 racings is for 10 year olds because they use dcts?
I own two manual cars (65 Corvair Corsa; 07 911) and they are great, but the dct is also great (and I use it in manual mode 99% of the time).
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01-05-2020, 09:56 AM | #53 |
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The DCT offers supercar level shift speeds and has rock solid reliability. There is no shame in owning one. Both transmission options are great.
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Mark my words, these cars will stabilize and be worth decent money down the road. The fact is, this is a really well built car with very few issues, where you can still get a DCT and/or true manual - in a real 4 or 5 seat config.
I just don't think we are going to see the issues the e90 cars have had and thus my comments. Just like what's his name's video said
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+1, couldn't agree more on everything stated. Super stoked I have a 6spd manual. For me, A classic BMW will always need a manual transition. Obviously the DCT is amazing too, can't argue the facts. But too much fun in the 6spd to pass it up. |
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Dct is bigger 7>6...... :0
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(FYI: I worked part time for Carmax about 9 years ago. Fantastic experience great business model. I did very well! You have one of the best positions there; congratulations) I mixed in some sarcasm in my original post I was trying to say the general public typically drives automatics; enthusiasts or not. Since a vast majority of the F80's are automatic and carbon roofs. The request would be for the rare 6 speed more often than not; along with a sunroof. I test drove a DCT it was cool. I just felt like I was pretending to be a racer. It was genuinely foreign to me. I've never owned an automatic car ever. If I went with a 5 series I'd get the automatic. In that segment I'd get the ES 350. I'm either all in M3 or totally numb Lexus! |
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- Manual is more fun. more control. can't do a brake stand with DCT. - DCT is easier to live with and faster - Manual will hold value better than DCT.
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Great info in this thread, it's pretty informal for someone that has been shopping around.
The CFRP roof is standard on the F82 correct? I'm currently trying to figure what the best possible package/options I'll be able to find within my budget. I intend to spend $35k cash. |
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Think I'll be keeping my 15', but trade-ins aren't bad my dealer offered $45k around 6 months ago when my warranty was up.
But like everyone else said these things aren't investments. Although Porsche seems to always hold their value pretty well and is one of the many reasons I've been eyeing a 991.2 Turbo S next…
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Looking at used prices for M3s is still boggling to me. Because when I look to trade mine the offers are shit compared to what dealers and some private parties are asking for. I know trade-in is always less than ideal but never before I have seen such a widespread between the two on a car that I owned.
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