Another engine oil thread. Castrol Edge/Pennzoil/ Liqui Moly?

[n8dgr84]

Originally Posted by eddie57

hello everyone I read all the pages of this post concerning oil it appears that the xcess gen 2 motule is good... I am European and I have access to the RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 HTHS 4.0 and kvs 100 13.3 c It's very good, isn't it?

Property Unit Data Audit
Density at 20 °C kg/m³ 848,0 EN ISO 12185
Colour gelbbraun VISUELL
Viscosity at 100 °C mm²/s 13,3 DIN 51562-1
Viscosity at 40 °C mm²/s 80,0 DIN 51562-1
Viscosity Index VI 170 DIN ISO 2909
HTHS Viscosity at 150 °C mPa*s 4,0 ASTM D5481
CCS Viscosity at -30 °C mPa*s 6375 ASTM D5293
Low Temp. Pumping viscosity (MRV) at -35 °C mPa*s 27.000 ASTM D4684
Pourpoint °C -45 DIN ISO 3016
Noack Volatility % M/M 8,8 ASTM D5800
Flashpoint °C 242 DIN EN ISO 2592
tbn mg KOH/g 8,7 ASTM D2896

Here's a good Used Oil Analysis from Ravenol VST 5w40 on a N55.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...mi-uoa.361380/

I'm not familiar with VMO but the NOACK 8.8% is a bit high for my liking. I suppose you could just top it up as it evaporates/gets consumed but would take more observation on your part. This NOACK level is similar to some LiquiMoly products.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by edycol

Ok. I need to jump on it. Ski season is about to finish.

edycol Definitive thread update!!?? It's been a year!

[edycol]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

edycol Definitive thread update!!?? It's been a year!

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OK, I am becoming embarrassed. I must do it.

[agentrnge]

I have seen a ton of Castrol ads on reddit today saying its 10x as strong ( as compared to what I dont know ) lmao. One thing is for sure they increased the ad budget 10x.

[gurvir44]

Originally Posted by gurvir44

This might be also a good alternative, its one of the slimmest ive seen.
https://www.femco.com/compact-sb-7090010148-m12x15-t12/
I think the fumoto has a lower profile than the stahlbus too, but im curious if it doesn't fit just because of the hand valve protrusion.

I ended up buying this, so far it clears really well and doesn’t protrude past the skid plate. Haven’t used the drain yet but will update soon. I bought the t9 version

[Wanted_M]

Originally Posted by gurvir44

I ended up buying this, so far it clears really well and doesn’t protrude past the skid plate. Haven’t used the drain yet but will update soon. I bought the t9 version

The M12x1.25" T9 version?

[rsyring]

Originally Posted by edycol

🫣
OK, I am becoming embarrassed. I must do it.

I previously went through this entire thread and made notes of the statements that seemed essential in understanding how to choose oil. I then made a summary doc that just listed the things I took away from the discussion and a recommendation of the oils I should use:

• Key statements in the thread (IMO)
• Summary of findings and recommendations specifically geared towards dual street/track usage

Feel free to use that, if helpful, as a starting point.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by rsyring

I previously went through this entire thread and made notes of the statements that seemed essential in understanding how to choose oil. I then made a summary doc that just listed the things I took away from the discussion and a recommendation of the oils I should use:


Key statements in the thread (IMO)
Summary of findings and recommendations specifically geared towards dual street/track usage



Feel free to use that, if helpful, as a starting point.

Thank you!
I will jump pn it by the end of the month. Have too much work and travel now.

[gurvir44]

Originally Posted by Wanted_M

The M12x1.25" T9 version?

Mine is a 2015 so i have have the first revision of the oil pan. I ordered M16x1.5-T9. Femco says to torque to 25nm i believe but i did 20nm like bmw recommends and no leaks.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by rsyring

I previously went through this entire thread and made notes of the statements that seemed essential in understanding how to choose oil. I then made a summary doc that just listed the things I took away from the discussion and a recommendation of the oils I should use:

• Key statements in the thread (IMO)
• Summary of findings and recommendations specifically geared towards dual street/track usage

Feel free to use that, if helpful, as a starting point.

I had to do the same thing by brand and extracting out the track/street info. I keep pointing people to this thread. I will read yours and see.
ed: looks great, looks similar to mine but better format.

[FrankMstein]

edycol Do you know who makes the Mini LL17 FE+ oil?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

edycol Do you know who makes the Mini LL17 FE+ oil?

Should be Castrol. Theyare now contracted with BMW.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by edycol

Should be Castrol. Theyare now contracted with BMW.

You confirmed what others are saying.

[ericold]

1 question edycol.
you said that ambient temperature as far as oil viscosity affect is not of our concern.only altitude is.
but i noticed something.in winters to reach oil temp is much more harder than this hotter season .doesn't that tell us that ambient temp plays a role for affecting the viscosity of an oil?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by ericold

1 question edycol.
you said that ambient temperature as far as oil viscosity affect is not of our concern.only altitude is.
but i noticed something.in winters to reach oil temp is much more harder than this hotter season .doesn't that tell us that ambient temp plays a role for affecting the viscosity of an oil?

I mean sure, look, temperature has an effect. But in the grand scheme of things, considering cooling capabilities, the temperature at low altitudes is not an issue. Cooling system can easily deal with that. Now, in winter, because you have very big sump, and it is cold, you need more time to warm up all that oil.
It is really not comparing apples to apples. To cool it off, system needs to maintain temperature, not to drop temperature from lets say 230f to 100f. It only needs to stay around 220-230f.
Warming up is completely different ball game. You want to raise the temperature of the oil from, let's say, 20 to 220. That takes time.
F and G generations have seriously capable cooling systems. And only time when you would see problem is maybe on track here in Colorado. That is ultimate test for cooling system. I have seen BMW's with two oil cooling radiators, aftermarket oversized stuff from Texas, Arizona, just to to have DME dial down power here or put them in limp mode. That is mostly on N54/55.