Cary Jordan no longer offering Stage 2 tunes?

[s55jesus]

Originally Posted by SnoozieToofs

Only California customers? Interesting...is that what he said? Is the LLC also based in California, hence the restrictions?

I wonder where the OP’s buddy is located.

My buddy lives in So Cal. But then again, it's for everyone in the US, not just California.

[HyeM3]

I wonder if the EPA has jurisdiction over many tuners outside the US. Plenty of great tuners like Halim out there overseas

[MisterF80M3]

Not done with my dyno tune with Cary. Wonder if I am screwed now.

Originally Posted by HyeM3

I wonder if the EPA has jurisdiction over many tuners outside the US. Plenty of great tuners like Halim out there overseas

Nope, that is why BM3 is able to get away with removing check engine light for cats.

[horsepower_and_hounds]

Started with BMS and the piggy back...nothing new

[4everkidd]

Utilize a Canadian address; I do the opposite with an American address.

We don't emissions test in most provinces yet.

[BYT_M4C]

Originally Posted by HyeM3

I wonder if the EPA has jurisdiction over many tuners outside the US. Plenty of great tuners like Halim out there overseas

They do not, if you look at the diesel truck world and how they are still able to get delete tunes, they are all companies outside of the US. Mainly Canada.

[Smee]

the response is a little odd from Cary but the law in US is a lot different to here in the UK.

fitting decat downpipes i get a CEL but if you still have the secondary cats fitted, then the car passes emissions here in the UK, is this not the case in US?

also with the likes of the Milltek exhaust with Sports Cat, wouldnt this still have the same issue as it has the same downpipes that are catless with Flexi pipe and the mid pipe has the cats in??

[Wanted_M]

Unfortunately main OEM cats need to be on in CA and not removed or modified in anyway. I wish that was the case here but EPA is cracking down hard.
Anywhere else in the US that follows EPA regs not CRAB (CARB lol), you can purchase an EPA approved (49 state) HFC such as GESI and pass.

Like these or similar brands but read the "note".
https://store.activeautowerke.com/pr...downpipes-gesi

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Smee

the response is a little odd from Cary but the law in US is a lot different to here in the UK.

fitting decat downpipes i get a CEL but if you still have the secondary cats fitted, then the car passes emissions here in the UK, is this not the case in US?

also with the likes of the Milltek exhaust with Sports Cat, wouldnt this still have the same issue as it has the same downpipes that are catless with Flexi pipe and the mid pipe has the cats in??

European inspections suck, but are more pragmatic when it comes to emissions.
In Europe they usually use a sniffer and look at the net output. In the US, many states do OBD2 inspection to see if the car's readiness monitors are set. Now California is going a step further and forcing you to use oem ECU software. In other words, ignoring whether the emissions of the car are ok or not, just forcing you to be on oem software

[Weytens]

I'm from belgium (europe) and just passed inspection with my decatted downpipes and secondary cats on.

[Wanted_M]

^^Bastard lol.

[M2_MEDUSA]

Catless with Full E85 is better for the environment than catted emission devices with 91/93 octane. By a landslide. But don't tell the EPA that. They know best lol.

[BoostinLI]

I find this a little weird. If you have a track car you don't need cats. A blanket statement doesn't sound right.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by cesarlcase

I find this a little weird. If you have a track car you don't need cats. A blanket statement doesn't sound right.

The EPA crack down is basically going to eliminate catless tunes for track use as well. They are cracking down hard, giving hefty fines. They don't care if tunes are sold as "for off road use only". They don't care if the customer actually uses his/her vehicle on track only. They are throwing out fines left and right. Some tuner shops on YT have documented everything and the size of fines they are facing. This is going to shut down some businesses for sure. Like someone said above some of these tunes make it possible to run on E85, actually making less emissions with more hp. EPA needs to educate themselves a little more, rather than throwing out these blanket fines. There is multiple agendas in DC behind the new crack down, Steve Dinan addresses it some in a recent podcast.

[1000hp]

Originally Posted by nv_f82

How dare this guy convert hundreds of satisfies customers into using nontoxic and biodegradable ethanol which can even help reduce pollution, how dare he.

Nobody is running 100% ethanol. Yet. Keep your fingers crossed for affordable biofuel, as that may be the one thing that saves internal combustion engines. Just don't hold your breath.

Also ethanol is definitely not nontoxic. Less toxic than gasoline, but not nontoxic.

[slaughter.mode]

Originally Posted by 1000hp

Nobody is running 100% ethanol. Yet. Keep your fingers crossed for affordable biofuel, as that may be the one thing that saves internal combustion engines. Just don't hold your breath.

Also ethanol is definitely not nontoxic. Less toxic than gasoline, but not nontoxic.

Well, 100% E85 is what I mean by that and burning from the engine and out the pipes actually is considered non-toxic since it produces no net carbon dioxide emissions.

[1000hp]

Originally Posted by nv_f82

Well, 100% E85 is what I mean by that and burning from the engine and out the pipes actually is considered non-toxic since it produces no net carbon dioxide emissions.

Unfortunately CO2 is only one of the gasses that we're emitting. We still have to deal with carbon monoxide and oxides of nitrogen, etc. When they say "no net carbon dioxide emissions" they mean that the plants they are harvesting to produce the ethanol consume as much C02 while growing as is emitted when the fuel is burned. And that's great. But again, not the only greenhouse gas coming out of the tailpipe. Especially when we're blasting out three times as much exhaust as the average, stock joe blow cars that the data is based on.
They are also not going to distinguish between pure-gasoline tunes and E85 tunes when they decide whether to allow tuners to help defeat federally-mandated emissions equipment.

Also that's not what non-toxic means. Ethanol is toxic, as are the gasoline, detergents, and additives in E85.

[tinpot]

Originally Posted by 1000hp

Unfortunately CO2 is only one of the gasses that we're emitting. We still have to deal with carbon monoxide and oxides of nitrogen, etc. When they say "no net carbon dioxide emissions" they mean that the plants they are harvesting to produce the ethanol consume as much C02 while growing as is emitted when the fuel is burned. And that's great. But again, not the only greenhouse gas coming out of the tailpipe. Especially when we're blasting out three times as much exhaust as the average, stock joe blow cars that the data is based on.
They are also not going to distinguish between pure-gasoline tunes and E85 tunes when they decide whether to allow tuners to help defeat federally-mandated emissions equipment.

Also that's not what non-toxic means. Ethanol is toxic, as are the gasoline, detergents, and additives in E85.

If we're going to compare the production lifecycle then electric cars and batteries are not much better than E85. yes, CO2 is released when growing crops but CO2 is also generated from electricity used to charge batteries in an electric car.

[1000hp]

Originally Posted by tinpot

If we're going to compare the production lifecycle then electric cars and batteries are not much better than E85. yes, CO2 is released when growing crops but CO2 is also generated from electricity used to charge batteries in an electric car.

Not if it's nuclear, hydro, or wind power.

(for the record, I amnot excited about electric vehicles, and am one of the people crossing fingers and toes for clean internal combustion engines)

[M3god]

Soo what would happened if I was to get a costume tune from him and later on down the road I swap to catless downpipes

[MR RIZK]

Originally Posted by AustinYellowm3

Soo what would happened if I was to get a costume tune from him and later on down the road I swap to catless downpipes

You just switch into a new costume.. the stage 3 spider man is awesome.. ah couldn't help myself..

[M3god]

Originally Posted by MR RIZK

You just switch into a new costume.. ah couldn't help myself..

I'm new in the f80 community and tuning as well so can you elaborate more please and thank you