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04-18-2013, 10:31 PM | #89 | |
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Europeans cars are NOT only 6 cylinders or are represented by it.... ask Mercedes, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Audi who by the way is going into NA engines, V8!!!! |
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04-18-2013, 10:51 PM | #92 |
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Not to mention this is the first turbo M3.... I wouldnt expect a home run on the first try. I def wouldnt buy the first year model. When its finally released im guessing there wont be much that separates this from a M335i or whatever "M sport" variant is released.
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04-19-2013, 12:50 AM | #97 |
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Everyone is commenting on the "singing" and not the "flying." IMO that sucker was hauling ass. Obviously the e9x is a tough act to follow, but this has impressive performance by my visual dyno for sure!
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04-19-2013, 01:35 AM | #100 |
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Some big shoes to fill!!! I'll take my slow, low torque, rumbly, V8 dinosaur engine anytime.
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04-19-2013, 02:18 AM | #101 |
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TBH the stock S54 didn't sound too great. Far too muted. This is sounding pretty mean for an I-6TT, tons of potential to be had. Not fair to compare this engine to the S65. Of course a 4.0L V8 will sound better
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04-19-2013, 02:23 AM | #102 | |
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A M3 with a completely different engine would have to be crash tested, emission and noise tested. Not to mention the development costs involved in making this reliable and driveable with normal warranties and lemon laws involved. This is were Hartge, Manhart, Alpina etc have a big advantage (at least in Europe). They are classed as a small volume manufacturer and are exempt from destructive tests and have simpler emissions and noise testing requirements. Good concept, but not economically viable |
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04-19-2013, 02:32 AM | #103 |
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I mean if it's an M car it's usually amazing in some way... While this proto sounds sorta like a 335is w more on the top end I think it will sound sorta like an is or 1m in a tunnel. While that isn't shabby, it doesn't have that F1 sound that I love... I love the metallic engine w raspy exhaust on the S54 and the robust monster sound of the S65 these engines just want to scream
This car does look like it hauls ass and my first mod would be exhaust and stiffer springs and if BMW does make the black series version it could still retain the S65 or da version of it - or even a track version or a more affordable M |
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04-19-2013, 02:41 AM | #104 | |
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But the V8 soundtrack isn't MY favourite BMW M sound. It has a great idle sound (better than many of the 6cyl cars) but it just doesn't sound like it actually revs to 8400rpm when you hear it accelerating. Just check out the videos from the 'Ring and every E9X M3 sounds like they short shift (at least to me...). It's kinda like when you expect it to really come alive, there is a gearchange. And the person who compared his E9X M3 with the sound of a Ferrari 458 must have heard a kit car with a V8 in it... The Ferrari V8 in the 458 has a flat crankshaft design (180 degree crank) just like F1 V8 engines has. Thats why a F1 V8 (like the Cosworth DFV or a new V8) does not sound like a V8 at all. Basically the 180 degree crank makes the engine act like two 4 cyl engines. A E9X M3 does NOT sound like a Ferrari 458 in any way and it can't because their engines only thing in common is the V architecture of the block. The two very different crankshaft designs makes all the difference in the sound they make. |
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04-19-2013, 03:18 AM | #105 |
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I hate that sound.....the V8 is going to be a classic..and they know it.....my neighbor has an m3 with v8..MY GAWD it's just a great sounding car.....this things is just yuck..
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04-19-2013, 03:45 AM | #106 |
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Best sounding Bmw engine S65, sure? Anybody remember who producted V12 engine in Mclaren F1? Yes Bmw Motorsport. Then M1 Procar over 9000rpm revving M88- based Inline-six and ~1970 Launched E9 CSL "Batmobile" 3.5L I6 and 430bhp/8500rpm, then of course car what starts this E30 M3 S14. Funny that fourty years has past and now comes 3.0L I6t "only" 415bhp.
But this is best, 3.5L I6 and that sound when air going to engine. Last edited by Tåst; 04-19-2013 at 03:58 AM.. |
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Since the 50d (N57S) engine didn't, I bet 100 internet dollars the S55 shall be the first engine taking over the throne from the N54 at the international engine of the year awards. Sadly BMW will no longer be present in the 3.1-4.0L category.
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If this thing is light, quick and reasonably linear/responsive - it'll be a huge hit. |
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04-19-2013, 09:33 AM | #109 |
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So I guess aftermarket exhaust development will be focused on silencing it?
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