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08-08-2012, 11:27 AM | #135 |
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I think all this grousing about the M4 name is just silly. Who cares what they call it.
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08-08-2012, 06:39 PM | #137 | |
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It might make it that much more special I'm looking forward to the new M4 coupe. I will add it to my garage (and keep my current M3), if it looks and performs like the latest render and rumors suggest. I think BMW are using the number designation below their rivals AUDI? Audi A4 (sedan)= BMW 3 series (sedan) Audi S4 (performance sedan) = BMW M3 (performance sedan) Audi A5 (coupe) = BMW 4 series (coupe) Audi RS5 (performance coupe) = BMW M4 (performance coupe) This may be why the change is necessary
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Frankly, the ///M badge and M division became so popular and successful is because of the M3 legacy. If they segregate M3 into M3 and M4, it will dilute the brand equity and the M will not be the most powerful letter anymore. It is insane that BMW is following its competitor’s number strategy and bound themselves the models and styles design by a number system. No wonder Audi has suppressed BMW and Mercedes and is viewed as a more innovative company here in Germany. I am not against a M4 to exist, BMW should make use of the 4 product line to fill the product gap that they do not have when compare to competitors such as the Audi R8. |
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08-09-2012, 05:42 AM | #140 | |
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Jezus christ people, you are all brainwashed by marketing. Seriously. Either you believe in "BMW M", and you don't care what name or number they put on a car, as long as it lives up to the M standards. Or you just want to brag to your friends with your M3 badge. |
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The M3 and some other M cars like M1, M5 make the M division so popular and successful and then this “M” brand makes the other M cars so popular and successful. Now BMW is going to cut this core brand - M3 into half by sharing with M4. This will certainly affect the brand image. We do not choose to drive M3 to brag friends or other people. When I drive my M3 and get appreciation from people on the street, I feel good because I know that they have good knowledge of car. Otherwise, they just think that this is just another German make Coupe or Sedan! If I drove Porsche or Ferrari and got appreciation, I bet 90% of them just thought that I can afford a dam expensive sport car. I can accept some car lovers come to the forum and claim that they do not care about the M3, M4 branding. There are people who change car (model and brand) like changing girlfriends any way. However, there are some die hard BMW enthusiasts that the M3 branding is matter to them and you need to accept this as well. |
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08-10-2012, 06:26 PM | #143 |
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I don't have any fundamental problem with BMW expanding the M line. It makes good sense all around; marketing, business, customer perspective, etc. I even like M SUVs. The X6M is one sick vehicle I would own/drive any day. I also like the little 1M despite it being sort of a parts bin type of car.
My problem is that they are splitting the coupe/sedan which have both always been M3s into M4/M3. That is unneeded dilution and confusion as the M3 Coupe "magically" becomes the M4. I suspect there may be some other changes to distinguish the cars. I can't imagine they will be quite as identical (less door count) as today's E92 and E90 M3. I'd guess they will also want the M4 to be priced higher. I certainly do not like this likely outcome of having to spend quite a bit more just to have a coupe. What do others think on how identical the M4 and M3 will be less the obvious issue of door count?
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I know I'm going to miss the S56's note. But bottom line BMW needed to improve fuel efficiency - and the torque will be a boon in daily driving.
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The name change does not have to bother everyone, but it does matter to many of us who have followed the M3 for many years. If we wanted to brag, we'd be driving something with a Porsche crest or a used Aston Martin. Additionally, having a higher number like 4 would be something braggarts would like, so another reason such posts are nonsensical.
Very few people in the general public know what an M3 is, but for BMW to randomly change the name and charge us more for it is displeasing. Now, unless they totally mess it up (which I'm sure they won't) it won't stop me buying the car but I may possibly "downgrade" the badge back to a 3 or lose it all together. If that annoys some people well, all the better. Last edited by Carl L; 09-06-2012 at 11:29 AM.. Reason: Removed words "unhappy" and impolite" to please Taco! |
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Carl, with all due respect, it's somewhat ironic that you accused the other poster of being unhappy and impolite and then call his post nonsensical (not exactly polite) while being unhappy about the name change.
I agree with him that the number or even the M badge doesn't matter as long as it drives like one. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. M nostalgia is nice but at the end of the day, it's how a car drives that's the bottom line. |
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Again, I appreciate your view that the name change does not matter, I just happen to disagree. No right or wrong way to think on this, but the expected price hike associated with separating the sedan and coupe lines is highly unfortunate if realized. |
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