Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[stein_325i]

I think this is the only back to back track comparison available.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Why does it seem like every crashed G8X is from the Czech Republic? They're really trashing these as quick as they can

Maybe they were Czeching it out? A crash safety Czech? They forgot to Czech the tire pressure? They were going for the Czechered flag? Czechmate? Yea, I know, those were lame. Who knows, probably just a coincidence. BMW's probably Czeching into it! Okay, that's the last one.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Why does it seem like every crashed G8X is from the Czech Republic? They're really trashing these as quick as they can

Things just get progressively crazier as you cross the German or Austrian border and head eastbound.

I keep saying that manufacturers should just let all the Saudis, Russians, Georgians, etc. test their cars. This is where all the cars imported from the West go get properly abused, crashed, rebuilt; rinse and repeat. Rod bearings what? Oh, you think your 100k-mile M6 is not gonna last any longer?

[CT_M3]

stein_325i

Hyundai Ioniq TG review just dropped.

[jpy1980]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

Some of us have said this before in this mega thread.

The Koreans are coming!- which is great for all of us.

Did anyone notice the sticker on the Veloster? "Hyundai Driving Academy"?

I did a quick check and it looks like the beginnings of a performance driving experience alal M Division's similar programs. They have greater aspirations and the other brands better be aware and that N is after M thing isn't really a joke it looks like.

Check the pricing out: What a deal! 99 Euros for 1 day? 200 for 2.5 days?

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3072

Originally Posted by CT_M3

stein_325i

Hyundai Ioniq TG review just dropped.

WOW. That looks amazing!

Loving the audi quattro vibe!

[six75LT]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

But yes, I get a lot of joy out of self-driving (adaptive cruise control + lane-centering steering), 360° cameras, heated and ventilated seats, heated steering wheel and arm rests, panoramic sunroof, ambient lighting and "Sky Lounge" LED headliner, adaptive laserlights, nice leather, etc. It makes the car a pleasant place to be. And it's important if you use the car for daily driving in a city or congested traffic (where 500 HP and quick steering does you no good) or long road trips. For example, I drove from San Francisco, CA, to Park City, UT, for a ski trip this winter. It was a 12 hour drive and my X5 was the perfect vehicle for it.

If a vehicle can do all of these things and accelerate 0-60 in 4 seconds and be nimble enough to do some canyon carving or turn in respectable times at an autocross or track day, that's awesome. And to me that's worth paying $1K/month for when you could lease a basic car like a Toyota Corolla for $150/month or a simple sporty car like a Civic Type-R for $450/month.

why dont you just buy a luxury car then, or an m340i equivalent?

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by six75LT

why dont you just buy a luxury car then, or an m340i equivalent?

Gee idk maybe because he wants to go faster, corner flatter, and feel racier?

[six75LT]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Gee idk maybe because he wants to go faster, corner flatter, and feel racier?

so you need a 500hp rocket that can travel cross country in 1 tank, lap the nordschleife in 7 mins, haul a full fence-set from home depot, and massage your balls while you drive to starbucks? and they wonder why cars get watered down with each generation. the masses want one car that can do it all.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

stein_325i

Hyundai Ioniq TG review just dropped.

I'll have to watch this after work. Been seeing a lot of positive press on the Ioniq5. Definitely has a futuristic and modern look without being too strange or ugly, perfect mix of retro modern. Hyundai will hopefully have a lot of success with this car and the Kia EV6 twin model.

[Tecnniqe]

I love those retro style lights and the interior is huuuge.

[CT_M3]

There's something out there already (does everything you said, except for the 7 min Norschelife)... It's the RS6 Avant. This is the 1 quiver car. It just got released here and imo, has the looks, the comfort and power. Now this is something that is done properly.

Originally Posted by six75LT

so you need a 500hp rocket that can travel cross country in 1 tank, lap the nordschleife in 7 mins, haul a full fence-set from home depot, and massage your balls while you drive to starbucks? and they wonder why cars get watered down with each generation. the masses want one car that can do it all.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by six75LT

so you need a 500hp rocket that can travel cross country in 1 tank, lap the nordschleife in 7 mins, haul a full fence-set from home depot, and massage your balls while you drive to starbucks? and they wonder why cars get watered down with each generation. the masses want one car that can do it all.

Nope

I want a car that is both a comfy full-featured daily sports sedan and a high performance weapon.

That's the purpose of the M3: to be the perfect dual-purpose car. I'm so glad BMW makes it.

If you lean more on the racy side of things that's what the M2 is for!

We can both have our cake and eat it too.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

There's something out there already (does everything you said, except for the 7 min Norschelife)... It's the RS6 Avant. This is the 1 quiver car. It just got released here and imo, has the looks, the comfort and power. Now this is something that is done properly.

That car looks so sick...but no manual means no buy for me.

Also the price those are selling at is eye watering.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dialogical

If you lean more on the racy side of things that's what the M2 is for!

Kind of a tangent, but I don’t think the next M2 will be racier in anyway. I fully expect it to benefit from the G80’s suspension, axel, TC, and tire setup, which will make it feel like a shorter wheelbase G80 (just like how M2C just feels like a shorter wheelbase F80). Basically taking the G80 experience and intensifying the perception of agility due to the wheelbase. I expect that it will not beat the G80 in any performance metric or lap time, so the G80 will remain the higher performer and racier of the two. G87 will probably be a less powerful / more compromised G80 that feels a little more “tossable” on the street (again just like M2C is to F80)

None of this is to say that F87 isn’t great and G87 won’t be great, but M2C specifically didn’t feel like it’s own model IMO - more like a less capable but sometimes more enjoyable derivative of its older brothers, so that’s what I’m expecting G87 to feel like.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by dialogical

I would be cautious about that CarWow video.
There is some really dubious stuff going on with that F80, namely that the owner lied about whether or not it's tuned (it is) and the time it put down is very very good for an informal test like that.

Plenty of reasons not to like the G80, I'd just be cautious about using that specific video as evidence.

Do we discredit carwow, or the very common knowledge that a 12.0 is the baseline 1/4 for f8x? If the end result is within spec, the source usually isn't under fire.... As Canut has referenced prior, its not the f8x that should be in question, rather, the g8x...

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Do we discredit carwow, or the very common knowledge that a 12.0 is the baseline 1/4 for f8x? If the end result is within spec, the source usually isn't under fire.... As Canut has referenced prior, its not the f8x that should be in question, rather, the g8x...

Car and Driver was able to get a 12.0 out of it, yes.
Do you know how magazines get those numbers? By wringing the living shit out of the car over and over and over and taking the best time. It is not feasible that a random drag run would produce those times.

Also, it is a known fact that the F80 in that video is tuned.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Kind of a tangent, but I don’t think the next M2 will be racier in anyway. I fully expect it to benefit from the G80’s suspension, axel, TC, and tire setup, which will make it feel like a shorter wheelbase G80 (just like how M2C just feels like a shorter wheelbase F80). Basically taking the G80 experience and intensifying the perception of agility due to the wheelbase. I expect that it will not beat the G80 in any performance metric or lap time, so the G80 will remain the higher performer and racier of the two. G87 will probably be a less powerful / more compromised G80 that feels a little more “tossable” on the street (again just like M2C is to F80)

None of this is to say that F87 isn’t great and G87 won’t be great, but M2C specifically didn’t feel like it’s own model IMO - more like a less capable but sometimes more enjoyable derivative of its older brothers, so that’s what I’m expecting G87 to feel like.

I would love for them to make the M2 its own sort of thing with its own character. The M2 is great, but its always just been a shorter-wheelbase M3 with less power and options. A little more fun due to its tighter dimensions but not all that different. BMW knows that the M2 is is a lower volume sales model and more enthusiast oriented, so I'd love to see them maybe experiment a bit more (preferably with the powertrain and chassis, not the design or grills though ).

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I would love for them to make the M2 its own sort of thing with its own character. The M2 is great, but its always just been a shorter-wheelbase M3 with less power and options. A little more fun due to its tighter dimensions but not all that different. BMW knows that the M2 is is a lower volume sales model and more enthusiast oriented, so I'd love to see them maybe experiment a bit more (preferably with the powertrain and chassis, not the design or grills though ).

Exactly! I actually like the OG M2 more than M2C because it was unabashedly a souped up 2 series that didn’t care what you thought. It’s soul comes from the fact that it is a raw, cobbled together package that channels a similar energy to the 1M. I get that way back in 2016 when I first drove one, and I still feel that way now. Crazy how even something like engine choice can really change the character of a car.

I do think that the iM2 is probably where the M2 will differentiate itself and likely where BMW is throwing all their R&D spend

[six75LT]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Nope

I want a car that is both a comfy full-featured daily sports sedan and a high performance weapon.

That's the purpose of the M3: to be the perfect dual-purpose car. I'm so glad BMW makes it.

If you lean more on the racy side of things that's what the M2 is for!

We can both have our cake and eat it too.

i agree on that. my point is that it seems some people want an M3, but then complain about it being too loud, suspension too rough, and so forth. the reality is most of these people (and not specifically referring to anyone in this thread) would be better off with an M340i. it's a sports car with some luxury features (hence it being dual purpose), not a luxury car with some sporty features

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by six75LT

i agree on that. my point is that it seems some people want an M3, but then complain about it being too loud, suspension too rough, and so forth. the reality is most of these people (and not specifically referring to anyone in this thread) would be better off with an M340i. it's a sports car with some luxury features (hence it being dual purpose), not a luxury car with some sporty features

Hard agree. On the sliding scale of luxury to sport, I want the M3 closer to sport than luxury (and the 340 closer to luxury than sport). I think a lot of non-enthusiasts with money to burn just walk into dealerships and say "I want that one it looks cool" and then bitch because the car is harder than them.

I think that as enthusiasts we are desensitized to a lot of the things that people who aren't enthusiasts dislike (like stiff suspensions and so on).

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Car and Driver was able to get a 12.0 out of it, yes.
Do you know how magazines get those numbers? By wringing the living shit out of the car over and over and over and taking the best time. It is not feasible that a random drag run would produce those times.

Also, it is a known fact that the F80 in that video is tuned.

It being tuned doesn't really matter if it's 450hp and 550nm and runs in known 1/4 times.

You can simply remove the vmax and your car can be considered tuned, burbles can be added too on a stock map which doesn't really change anything either.

I don't see what they gain by lying on the cars output.
The car going from MPSS to 4S' alone probably shaves off a few .1 or what not, or so my butt dyno tells me moving to those tires.

There are so many different variables at play for times on these things, however, it was a clear showcase of the slushbox and DCT at play.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Car and Driver was able to get a 12.0 out of it, yes.
Do you know how magazines get those numbers? By wringing the living shit out of the car over and over and over and taking the best time. It is not feasible that a random drag run would produce those times.

Also, it is a known fact that the F80 in that video is tuned.

Define "Tune." Utilizing a stock Bmw "tune" is indicative of features whereas we have a delta of assumed information spanning nearly 100 hp/tq... Its splitting hairs but I know a stage 1 provides mid 11's for a standard individual (not some perceived magazine robot....... different talk show) so its clearly not "tuned" in the measure you are inferring.