M3 CS For Sale - The PSA thread

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by Ev0lutionx

The one listed at the Porsche dealer doesn’t have the $8,150 optioned CCB’s though.

They finally posted pictures and at least it looks a lot cleaner than the scuffed up one that sold on BaT.

WBS8M9C53J5L00339
BSM Exec Pkg
2-Owner
8,409 miles
$72,878

Good point but those scuffs could easily be fixed if you value the CCBs at even half of the optioned cost. Plus it was cheaper.

[Ev0lutionx]

Low mileage Canada spec BSM for sale on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2018-bmw-m3-cs-35/

[Ev0lutionx]

Nothing but BSM for sale lately…

$64,900
WBS8M9C51J5L00503
1 Owner
28,354 miles

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ty-d390_L39857

[maxd23]

In case you guys are wondering about the market: https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KmV...2019-bmw-m4-cs

[Ev0lutionx]

Originally Posted by maxd23

In case you guys are wondering about the market: https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KmV...2019-bmw-m4-cs

$60k after fees seems on par for an M4 CS. This one did have body work and repaint.

[Adaman]

Originally Posted by canaus

I think one thing people are missing out on when comparing markets either between M3 generations and other brands like Porsche is:

1. Models. Porsche models, for a large part, are very different from the others. 2WD vs 4WD. NA vs Turbo. Different displacements as well as power. Different suspension, wheel and tire, and other components. And then option availability. A base Carrera is wholly different from a Turbo S. A Turbo S is very different from a GT3. GT3 is different from the GT3RS.

A base model and a CS model is only different in suspension components, maybe brake options, and visual options. There's no NA version. Different engine type. No larger displacement. There's not even different turbos.

2. Tuning. The differences between a Base, comp, CS and GTS are almost always based on tuning (at least in the sense of driving). Anyone with a laptop can go in an give the steering of a comp the steering feel of a CS, along with other things.

3. Marketing. It seems like every generation post F-series is a Mr. Potato Head of parts. A M340i can have M parts. A X3M has the exact same engine and performance parts as an M3. BMW is cannibalizing its own market because it sells them new cars, but it doesn't help the used market once things like modding comes into play. The F-series is taking a bit of a hit from this but the G-series, I believe, is going to take a huge hit from this marketing (and business cost-savings) tactic.

The thing that sells for the most and keeps the most in resale is hardware. Software is flashable and repeatable.

Your post is a little off topic for this thread but interesting comparison although incomplete and a mix up of a few things. Porsche targets different customers with a totally different mindset buying a brand than a product. A base Carrera with performance #s similar to M3 and a 2X price tag is only justifiable to who wants to drive a Porsche. Look at the price difference between their base model their top of the line GT models. You can fit 2 M3s in that gap. I think your apple/orange comparison brings some points but not really a comparison why a CS should be more expensive as the difference between a CS and a base model (or comp) is not just in visual parts and some software upgrades.... Keep in mind that The base price of CS was only 30ish% more than the M3 base (doesn't really apply to your Carerra vs GT series comparison). I throw in something in the attachment for folks here to get educated on enhancements that BMW did on the F80 CS. Peace!

[maxd23]

Originally Posted by Adaman

Your post is a little off topic for this thread but interesting comparison although incomplete and a mix up of a few things. Porsche targets different customers with a totally different mindset buying a brand than a product. A base Carrera with performance #s similar to M3 and a 2X price tag is only justifiable to who wants to drive a Porsche. Look at the price difference between their base model their top of the line GT models. You can fit 2 M3s in that gap. I think your apple/orange comparison brings some points but not really a comparison why a CS should be more expensive as the difference between a CS and a base model (or comp) is not just in visual parts and some software upgrades.... Keep in mind that The base price of CS was only 30ish% more than the M3 base (doesn't really apply to your Carerra vs GT series comparison). I throw in something in the attachment for folks here to get educated on enhancements that BMW did on the F80 CS. Peace!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was referencing and concurring with the assertion that GT3/GT4RS models are priced differently in the aftermarket than M3/4 CS models.

I also don't know if your point that a CS was only 30% more than a base M3 is true. IIRC a base M3 is probably around $70-75k while the CS was easily into the $110-115k. Many reviewers thought the price wasn't quite justified. That would make them almost 50% more expensive than a base M3; but the aftermarket doesn't reflect that; as you can see with the most recent auction result (expensive sedans tend to fall the farthest from MSRP).

[Adaman]

Originally Posted by maxd23

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was referencing and concurring with the assertion that GT3/GT4RS models are priced differently in the aftermarket than M3/4 CS models.

I also don't know if your point that a CS was only 30% more than a base M3 is true. IIRC a base M3 is probably around $70-75k while the CS was easily into the $110-115k. Many reviewers thought the price wasn't quite justified. That would make them almost 50% more expensive than a base M3; but the aftermarket doesn't reflect that; as you can see with the most recent auction result (expensive sedans tend to fall the farthest from MSRP).

The argument was F80 CS is not a Porsche GT3 (or similar) and why it should hold it's price better than normal M3 as it is not offering anything more than cosmetic upgrades plus software tune. I consider this apple/orange comparison.

The base M3 with DCT and leather seats/dash and executive package was at price point you mentioned. But M3 CS at its base price of 98k had hell a lot of added options compared to our example here. Only add ons for CS were individual colors, executive package, CCB and titanium exhaust. All US cars came with executive package and their MSRP was about 102k .The 115k that you are referring to is when CCB and FDB/LRG were added. That is not the base price of CS though. Sorry, a bit sensitive to inaccurate information or FAKE NEWS!

[IB M]

^^^ small clarification - there were some US cars that came without exec pack - I think around 30+ cars - so an AW stripper CS was about $98k. Also some M3 comps were well over $90k if loaded up with options like individual paint or port installed carbon add ons or MPE.

Also interesting here - Porsche does a way better job of controlling supply and demand. If you want a GT car you will have to wait as production is spread out and slow - no discounts. Contrast BMW who dumped all the CS cars in a short window which created oversupply and killed the sales price.

[Adaman]

Originally Posted by IB M

^^^ small clarification - there were some US cars that came without exec pack - I think around 30+ cars - so an AW stripper CS was about $98k. Also some M3 comps were well over $90k if loaded up with options like individual paint or port installed carbon add ons or MPE.

Also interesting here - Porsche does a way better job of controlling supply and demand. If you want a GT car you will have to wait as production is spread out and slow - no discounts. Contrast BMW who dumped all the CS cars in a short window which created oversupply and killed the sales price.

Thank you IB M, I did not know that about US cars wo Exec package. My online source must have given me FAKE NEWS then lol. But my bad for spreading it haha. I agree that BMW is doing a bad job of treating their flagships by pouring them into market without creating the hype for it as other manufacturers are better at this. But you know what, as human beings we always complain as this directly benefiting the ones who can buy these state of the art machines without the need for paying 100k over MSRP! I know some folks on this thread are on the buy side and wishing for the prices to go to Zero (not blaming them) and bring all kinds of reasoning why it will happen
I see a lot of G80 CS's sitting on dealers hand right now but surprisingly their price is not coming down.

[maxd23]

Originally Posted by Adaman

The argument was F80 CS is not a Porsche GT3 (or similar) and why it should hold it's price better than normal M3 as it is not offering anything more than cosmetic upgrades plus software tune. I consider this apple/orange comparison.

The base M3 with DCT and leather seats/dash and executive package was at price point you mentioned. But M3 CS at its base price of 98k had hell a lot of added options compared to our example here. Only add ons for CS were individual colors, executive package, CCB and titanium exhaust. All US cars came with executive package and their MSRP was about 102k .The 115k that you are referring to is when CCB and FDB/LRG were added. That is not the base price of CS though. Sorry, a bit sensitive to inaccurate information or FAKE NEWS!

1) Many CS came heavily loaded with options, see below.
2) "a bit sensitive to inaccurate information or FAKE NEWS!" If you really think posting here about how a CS is awesome will somehow protect or elevate the value of your CS, you might want to re-consider. The market has already spoken. Also, I hope you're joking about the "fake news" part.
3) A CS is not on the level of a GT P-car. The market has spoken.

Originally Posted by IB M

^^^ small clarification - there were some US cars that came without exec pack - I think around 30+ cars - so an AW stripper CS was about $98k. Also some M3 comps were well over $90k if loaded up with options like individual paint or port installed carbon add ons or MPE.

Also interesting here - Porsche does a way better job of controlling supply and demand. If you want a GT car you will have to wait as production is spread out and slow - no discounts. Contrast BMW who dumped all the CS cars in a short window which created oversupply and killed the sales price.

Concur.
1) Very few CS cars came as stripped down models.
2) If you want a GT car you either have to know somebody or be somebody, or pay 50-100k over on second hand market, though things have cooled considerably since 12-18 months ago.
3) Not sure about the dumping part. If you remember the 1M, it was a similar run of cars and those held their value very well.

[Ev0lutionx]

Wow… can we get back on topic and keep this thread focused on finding and listing M3 CS for sale?

[Ev0lutionx]

Updated price and pictures on this BSM.

WBS8M9C54J5K99749
$72,991
15,026 miles
2-Owner

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...6/NONE/DEFAULT

[Ev0lutionx]

SMB

WBS8M9C51J5L00145
$65,500
36,247 miles
4-Owners

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...1/NONE/DEFAULT

[Adaman]

Originally Posted by maxd23

1) Many CS came heavily loaded with options, see below.
2) "a bit sensitive to inaccurate information or FAKE NEWS!" If you really think posting here about how a CS is awesome will somehow protect or elevate the value of your CS, you might want to re-consider. The market has already spoken. Also, I hope you're joking about the "fake news" part.
3) A CS is not on the level of a GT P-car. The market has spoken.



Concur.
1) Very few CS cars came as stripped down models.
2) If you want a GT car you either have to know somebody or be somebody, or pay 50-100k over on second hand market, though things have cooled considerably since 12-18 months ago.
3) Not sure about the dumping part. If you remember the 1M, it was a similar run of cars and those held their value very well.

Maxd23, where are you getting all this inaccurate information from? I am attaching pricing guide for F80 CS that shows how things were limited as far as options available for ordering the car (except a couple of things everything else was standard) PLEASE TAKE A LOOK!
I never said CS is an awesome car (you are saying it which I agree). I can care less if I sell my car at 60 or 100 as it doesn't make a financial difference for me.
Sorry admin , at least the pricing sheet attached should be a relevant topic here to educate the ones who needed it so all the BS stops.

[Ev0lutionx]

Originally Posted by Adaman

Maxd23, where are you getting all this inaccurate information from? I am attaching pricing guide for F80 CS that shows how things were limited as far as options available for ordering the car (except a couple of things everything else was standard) PLEASE TAKE A LOOK!
I never said CS is an awesome car (you are saying it which I agree). I can care less if I sell my car at 60 or 100 as it doesn't make a financial difference for me.
Sorry admin , at least the pricing sheet attached should be a relevant topic here to educate the ones who needed it so all the BS stops.

Listen buddy. No one here cares for your guys back and forth BS education. You haven’t enlightened us with anything we didn’t know, or really need to know. You just sound like a little kid that doesn’t know when to stop and has to get the last word in. Stop the BS.

[Turdferguson]

Originally Posted by Ev0lutionx

Listen buddy. No one here cares for your guys back and forth BS education. You haven’t enlightened us with anything we didn’t know, or really need to know. You just sound like a little kid that doesn’t know when to stop and has to get the last word in. Stop the BS.

Thank god someone said it. He’s just trying to justify the fallacy of getting $80k for his car.

[mehman63]

Originally Posted by Ev0lutionx

SMB

WBS8M9C51J5L00145
$65,500
36,247 miles
4-Owners

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...1/NONE/DEFAULT

Id put money that this car's front suspension is not stock

[Ev0lutionx]

Originally Posted by mehman63

Id put money that this car's front suspension is not stock

Lol, right? Mine has a gap for days in the front.

[mehman63]

Originally Posted by Ev0lutionx

Lol, right? Mine has a gap for days in the front.

Exactly lol

[Ev0lutionx]

This dealer is shooting for the stars, and is full of it:

“!!!! New Inventory 4/7/2024 !!! 33k miles Never modified Cleanest example on the market More information coming soon”

SMB
$69,999
33,687 miles
3-Owners and 3+ accidents!

WBS8M9C50J5L71742

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...4/NONE/DEFAULT

[mehman63]

i guess prices going back up lolol

probably sold the 763Ms for the apex