The Jeremy Clarkson BMW M4 Review

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by trinim3

Okay but on the colors why can't the offer a normal blue and a normal red and a normal light grey like they do on every other BMW they sell (especially the ones for the mass market?) And adding tanzanite blue as an individual color at a premium isn't the fix (though I do appreciate that's better than nothing).

If they want to add YMB and AY and some unique colors, no problem there whatsoever, but don't take away colors that people are used to being able to pick? Did we really need TWO versions of white?

Fair.

I'm not gonna defend the colour options too much.

Right now I lean towards Tanzanite (no extra cost in Canada) but, I dunno, the BSM, MG and SS are all fine if you don't like white. Reds, Oranges and more normal Blues will come.....just not launch year, I guess.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

makes sense? i dont even know the difference between UK,Great Britain, Britain.

Those actually all mean the same thing. England refers to just one country, though, whereas the UK/Britain/Great Britain includes England, Scotland, Wales, and part of Ireland -- but call a Scotsman "British" at your peril.

[MpowerLex]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

I want to agree with this statement but I cant. Until I drive a DCT equipped M car, Im going to assume the vast majority of people are correct when they say its one of the top transmissions available on any car at the moment. And Im a manual guy with a 6-MT on order for last week of Sept!

I cannot wait to get behind the wheel of a DCT.....soon.

I am a big manual guy, my '13 e92 M3 was manual an so where my past sports cars. I finally decided it's time to give this whole DCT thing a try, and boy am I glad I did! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!! I have no regrets and haven't looked back since picking up my new M3 last Tuesday.

[SocalBM]

Phenomenal amount of ignorance and closed-mindedness on this board; good god it's shocking.

FWIW, Clarkson does love BMWs. Not that it should matter (this goes out to 80% of this fanboi-butthurt-raging nerd board).

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

Phenomenal amount of ignorance and closed-mindedness on this board; good god it's shocking.

FWIW, Clarkson does love BMWs. Not that it should matter (this goes out to 80% of this fanboi-butthurt-raging nerd board).

Are you trying to prove your point. Your comment was ignorant and closed minded. Where are your statistics to say that 80% of this board is fanboi-butthurt-raging nerds?

Good god you are shocking

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by jphughan

Those actually all mean the same thing. England refers to just one country, though, whereas the UK/Britain/Great Britain includes England, Scotland, Wales, and part of Ireland -- but call a Scotsman "British" at your peril.

Well, not quite.

Britain or Great Britain is the island which, sorry Braveheart, includes Scotland, England and Wales. But Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain - it is on a different island (the island of Ireland). Thats why the country is actually called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

So UK works to capture all 4 parts of the country, but Britain only captures 3/4 of it. Make sense?

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by jphughan

Those actually all mean the same thing. England refers to just one country, though, whereas the UK/Britain/Great Britain includes England, Scotland, Wales, and part of Ireland -- but call a Scotsman "British" at your peril.

and F them Northern Ireland ppl right?

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by trinim3

Great minds think alike I suppose

I salute both of you and that is a well written review from JC which does not mean that he likes anything and everything, that is what fanboys do.

[M4TW]

I enjoy Clarkson's reviews for the most part as he adds a great deal of humor to a field often given over to dullards. I think he comes up with some insightful driving impressions from time to time. But if you are going to him for styling cues, I think you ought to consider allowing your mother to dress you again.

I think a lot of his review was 'colored' by his initially having being put off by the baby puke yellow M4 (as he saw it) and not seeing things objectively. His comments about styling, for example, were about as off-the-mark as his musings about the car being a creation of BMW's 'B' team. Similarly, his clowning around about the base operations of the DCT were also just Clarkson being Clarkson.

Apart from that, he seemed suitably impressed by the car's driving dynamics and prowess. I look forward to seeing where the Stig can stick it on the wall (provided it does not end up being yet another test run marred by pervasive English rain).

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

Phenomenal amount of ignorance and closed-mindedness on this board; good god it's shocking.

FWIW, Clarkson does love BMWs. Not that it should matter (this goes out to 80% of this fanboi-butthurt-raging nerd board).

That percentage seems very low.

Originally Posted by M4TW

I enjoy Clarkson's reviews for the most part as he adds a great deal of humor to a field often given over to dullards. I think he comes up with some insightful driving impressions from time to time. But if you are going to him for styling cues, I think you ought to consider allowing your mother to dress you again.

I think a lot of his review was 'colored' by his initially having being put off by the baby puke yellow M4 (as he saw it) and not seeing things objectively. His comments about styling, for example, were about as off-the-mark as his musings about the car being a creation of BMW's 'B' team.

I don't think his comments on the styling are particularly off the mark. Every part of the car does look like they finished designing it, stepped back, and said, no, let's add more flaps and more detail and more stuff. Then let's add more stuff. And that's how you end up with a front bumper with more folds and creases than a vagina.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

And that's how you end up with a front bumper with more folds and creases than a vagina.

NOW I understand why I just love the front of the F8X!!! I could not, for the life of me, figure out why it seemed so perfect to me. Makes sense now... cheers to the BMW designers for such an innovative, sexy and exciting design

[/// M sa]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

That percentage seems very low.



I don't think his comments on the styling are particularly off the mark. Every part of the car does look like they finished designing it, stepped back, and said, no, let's add more flaps and more detail and more stuff. Then let's add more stuff. And that's how you end up with a front bumper with more folds and creases than a vagina.

Car needed 7 cooling systems, I guess you need a vagina to keep it cool? I am sure Bmw engineers and designers don't know wtf they are doing yet half this board could be doing a better job! The up coming football season will also produce many coaches sitting at home thinking they can design better plays.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by //M sa

Car needed 7 cooling systems, I guess you need a vagina to keep it cool? I am sure Bmw engineers and designers don't know wtf they are doing yet half this board could be doing a better job! The up coming football season will also produce many coaches sitting at home thinking they can design better plays.

Well, the front design on German cars are now heavily influenced by stupid pedestrian safety laws, as opposed to any design sense or aesthetic. Hence the ugly from every manufacturer.

And the rear and front bumpers seem to have been designed mainly to be "more hardcorez to de max" so you can tell it apart from a regular 4-series, than any functional reason.

[GFK007]

agree with clarkson on the color. AY is horrendous. Should have offered Dakar...

[JoePcone]

Originally Posted by //M sa

Car needed 7 cooling systems, I guess you need a vagina to keep it cool? I am sure Bmw engineers and designers don't know wtf they are doing yet half this board could be doing a better job! The up coming football season will also produce many coaches sitting at home thinking they can design better plays.

Great comment. I think most people, especially on this board, are just overly critical because the internet gives a ton of information of which to be critical with. It seems the guys actually driving these cars, for the most part, are very happy with them. The others are wanna be Clarkson's, wanting people to believe their palate for sports cars is much deeper than the average person. Jeremy Clarkson is paid to be extremely critical about cars. I highly doubt the average enthusiast is anywhere near that critical of cars...even though they pretend to be. No car is perfect. I do agree with him on the colors, they're pretty bad.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by GFK007

agree with clarkson on the color. AY is horrendous. Should have offered Dakar...

Says the guy driving the car with the most bland color known to mankind

Just kidding... I like MG... but wow, it's interesting how a bunch of people who have never seen a color in person (which I'm sure is the case for most of those who have commented) like to bash something that others like. Not sure what purpose that serves

There is one F8X color I really don't like too... but you won't hear me spouting off about it when color choice is so personal and subjective and lots of people like the color I don't.

P.S. I don't think I have ever seen a MG BMW? Wait, it probably just blended in so I didn't notice it... Just kidding, just kidding...

P.P.S. AY ROCKS !!!

[/// M sa]

Originally Posted by JoePcone

Great comment. I think most people, especially on this board, are just overly critical because the internet gives a ton of information of which to be critical with. It seems the guys actually driving these cars, for the most part, are very happy with them. The others are wanna be Clarkson's, wanting people to believe their palate for sports cars is much deeper than the average person. Jeremy Clarkson is paid to be extremely critical about cars. I highly doubt the average enthusiast is anywhere near that critical of cars...even though they pretend to be. No car is perfect.

Sums up my argument so bravo... You spend 80k and drive what BMW designed and if you don't like it then move on to other 100 car makers. I said it earlier in this thread that the only review that matters is mine. I am the one buying the car, driving it and enjoying it. I can hardly gives a crap what some review tells me about my M3. 95 percent of the time I love my car and 5 percent of it that I don't like has to do with my taste... It's funny how many people on forums act like they know how to design better cars yet all they do is show off their vast knowledge of the automotive industry

[paddy335]

You guys all take Clarkson waaaaaayyyyyy too seriously. He is a comedian first and foremost remember.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

Well, the front design on German cars are now heavily influenced by stupid pedestrian safety laws, as opposed to any design sense or aesthetic. Hence the ugly from every manufacturer.

And the rear and front bumpers seem to have been designed mainly to be "more hardcorez to de max" so you can tell it apart from a regular 4-series, than any functional reason.

But..but...but the Audis look really nice.....many Mercedes look nice......the Cayman looks nice... and the GT3 too. The GTI looks pretty cool too and they have nice colors too. I believe they all have to follow the same German rules?

[SouthernBoy]

Yep. Still no video. Right so far.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by myzmak

Yup.

I realize that on an enthusiast forum we like to play up our own importance and the power of our views, however when it comes to marketing and selling what the broader market actually wants, I think it is reasonable to assume BMW and ///M know something about what they are doing.......

Yup. We are insignificant now. A man has to be realistic but I can't help remember feeling insignificant when the M3 got so heavy and they came out with the 1M and now dropped the weight on the F80 base M3. That happened because a few of the insignificants complained. If no one had raised an issue, the a BLoaded M3 would weight 4000 lbs today. And despite the urban myth that it's safety stuff, it's not. It's gadgets and frills tacked on. My head says we don't matter anymore but every now and then there are some small victories.

[Drew10]

Originally Posted by //M sa

Only review that matters is mine, my own experience and what I feel when I drive my car. Who gives a shit what any of these guys have to say, drive the car for your self and decide if the car is for you.

The only review that matters is mine. I will tell you of my experience and what you will feel if you drive the car. You will give a shit about what I have to say and I will ultimately decide if the car is for you. If I decide that you can drive the car, I will tell you when you are allowed to fart in it.