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      08-21-2014, 06:55 PM   #1
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How would you configure your car if you could order it again?

This is really for people who have had their M3 or M4 for a while. It's been 2 weeks since I took delivery of my M3. I love it! I love the full leather, the surround view camera, the transmission, the engine, the LED headlights, the 19" wheels, the spacious back seats (M3). It is a great car. Knowing what I know now, I keep thinking how I would option my car if I could order it again.

I really optioned up my car. It was just a tad over $80K before tax and license. I have always been intrigued with the possibility of a stripper car. It is every bit as fast as my car, probably a little bit faster, because a stripper car would be a few pounds lighter. My thoughts with the packages and options:
  • Executive package. I like it, but I can certainly do without it. Comfort Access is cool, but it is not something I can't live without. The HUD is also very cool. But it is a bit distracting to me. The fact that you have 3 things to look at: the road, the HUD, and the instrument cluster, you have 3 things to focus your eyes to. If you don't have good eye sight, the HUD might not do it for you. I have it off now by default but I do turn it back on from time to time. It is helpful to see the Nav graphics on the HUD. I thought the M-HUD would be awesome. It isn't really, to me. The RPM indicator in grey color is very hard to see. I might like it more after my break-in service so I can see the shift light in the M-HUD. It is still summer, but I know I will love the heated seats, all 4 of them, and the heated steering wheel in the winter. Maybe the Exec package is more worth it if you live up north with cold winters.
  • LED lighting package: Love it. Don't regret getting it. It is super bright, definitely brighter than my E46 M3's Xenon. Definitely optional. I would go with the free, standard Xenon. Auto high beam, hum, I think I can handle this manually.
  • Driver Assistance Package: It is a great set of features when my family drives my car. I would feel better knowing the nannies are watching out for me. Definitely I can do without this package. Yes, it does interfere with your radar detector. With Valentine One, you can try disabling traffic filter or rear K-band, or both. Other radar detectors, I don't know.
  • Surround View Camera: can be ordered a la carte in the USA, IF you also order Executive package. So no. But it is on of the best feature for me. I am very anal about parking my car between the lines and often times I park, get out, get back into the car to re-park it. This feature helps a lot. And it should avoid curb rashes on wheels. I would get it if you order Exec Package because this option requires Exec package.
  • M Suspension: Love it. For $1,000, it is probably the best option in terms of value. You can't get interior adjustable suspension after market for $1,000. The car is comfortable when I have passengers, stiff and sporty when I drive alone. If you don't plan on lowering your car, get it. I would get it again.
  • M-DCT: I drove SMGII for 10 years. M-DCT is a huge upgrade for me. I drive in manual mode most of the time. But I like the option to switch to auto mode when I need to fiddle with iDrive. $2,900 is an expensive option for a stripper car. Get manual tranny if you enjoy it. Get M-DCT for ease of driving and ease of getting more performance out of the car.
  • Carbon Ceramic Brakes: Nope, not for a stripper car. Not for most cars anyway.
  • Leather: I really like the full leather. The car feels much more luxurious. There were not a lot of good pictures of the cloth interior early on. I have not seen it in person. Cloth shows very well in recent pictures. I would go with cloth. But for $950, extended leather is a good value IMO.
  • Wheels: The 18" wheels don't look too bad. But I would still go with the 19" wheels for a better look. $1,200 to upgrade to 19" I think is good value if you don't plan on getting aftermarket wheels.
  • Parking Assistant: I didn't get it. Most buyers didn't get it, according to our survey. This option also requires Exec pkg. Definitely no.
  • Harman Kardon: For $875, I think it is a good upgrade if you don't plan on going aftermarket. It is probably very hard to retrofit if you don't order with it.
  • Concierge Services: Nope
  • Enhanced USB Bluetooth: Nope. Read here to understand what you are really getting for $550 http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=123
  • Power rear sunshade: I love it and use it all the time. But not for a stripper car.

So, if I order again, I would order as below:
  • M3 - $62,000
  • Silverstone II exterior - $550
  • Cloth/leather seats - No cost, might consider extended leather for $950
  • No Exec pkg, lighting pkg, driver assistance plus pkg - no cost
  • M-DCT - $2,900
  • Adaptive M Suspension - $1,000
  • 19" black wheels - $1,200
  • Harman Kardon - $875

Total $68,525 + $925 destination & handling = $69,450 with M-DCT, $66,550 with manual transmission.

That is a very good deal for an M3, a few thousand more for an M4. If you get some discount, it would be even better. Looks just the same as mine, just as fast. as much as $13,000 less than mine.
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      08-21-2014, 07:06 PM   #2
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I wouldnt change much honestly....

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I might add CCB if i was feeling saucy, but just for the no brake dust. The steels bite just fine.
Color though.... SO or SII


Thats pretty much it...
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You're one of the first with ZEC package that would forgo it if ordering again. I have been skeptical since day one of ZEC's value, but I've considered it because many people have said that the HUD is amazing - I've never used one, and although it seems cool, it doesn't do anything I can't live without.
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      08-21-2014, 07:23 PM   #4
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I honestly would not change a damn thing! It's perfect! I've known what I wanted for months, ordered it, got it and love it. I cannot understand how people keep waffling about EVERYTHING! Color, wheels, brakes, moonroof, leather..........MY GOD! I'm amazed that some of you can make it through a day without going insane.
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19" Black Light-Alloy Wheel Double-SpokeStyle 437 M with Mixed Perf. Tires

I thought long and hard on every other option and I just didn't see why I would need it. The above covers what I bought the car for.
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      08-21-2014, 07:42 PM   #6
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You're one of the first with ZEC package that would forgo it if ordering again. I have been skeptical since day one of ZEC's value, but I've considered it because many people have said that the HUD is amazing - I've never used one, and although it seems cool, it doesn't do anything I can't live without.
Value-wise, I don't think it is worth it as a package. Maybe that is why BMW USA put them all together in one package. I think a separate "Winter Package" like the E46 M3, with heat steering wheel and heat front and rear seats, would be great for cold places. But then none of the buyers in hot places would not be paying money to BMW USA for features they wouldn't use. I would be more warmed to the HUD if it isn't fuzzy to me eyes.
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If I wanted a stripper...
M4 AW
Black extended
M Suspension
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19" Black wheels

MSRP $68300... with the discount I got, it would have been $64800... with my e92 M3 trade in, I would have been paying $441/month. For a freaking brand new M4. I would have been happy with this car and the payments.

If I wanted to modify my order, I would only add HK.
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      08-22-2014, 01:57 AM   #8
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So, if I order again, I would order as below:
  • M3 - $62,000
  • Silverstone II exterior - $550
  • Cloth/leather seats - No cost, might consider extended leather for $950
  • No Exec pkg, lighting pkg, driver assistance plus pkg - no cost
  • M-DCT - $2,900
  • Adaptive M Suspension - $1,000
  • 19" black wheels - $1,200
  • Harman Kardon - $875
WTF - 2 weeks and buyer's remorse already!!!??? You didn't even give depreciation a chance to kick in.

Honestly, I find this thread depressing.

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On second thought, that's ALOT of car for just $67k if you wanted a manual trans. Deal of the century if you had the hindsight to do it again Sir Loin.
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If you are considering getting a stripped car (stripper car makes me think of nekkid wimmenz...), why would you get the 19"s? The 18" wheels are significantly lighter, and actually look better IMO. Certainly the decreased unsprung weight will matter more for handling and acceleration than the few lbs you have saved elsewhere.

As for the Exec package, you mentioned you liked the extended leather, well that comes with the Exec package, and the heated seats and steering wheel will be a very nice touch. Additionally, you might not really value the comfort access right no, but it will be one of those things that will likely bug you down the road. And it will add very little weight.

Finally, you said you liked the DCT for the ease of use, but honestlty, it does add the most weight of all the packages. Yeah, the acceleration numbers from 0-60 are better, but in general, the reduced weight of the 6MT will make a difference in many situations, both straight line and curves.

The only thing I would change on my order is to get the aluminum blade trim, and go with the 18's, instead of the 19's. Of course, I don't have my M4 yet, so that might all change. I got it with the Exec pkg, moonroof, 6 MT, LED lighting, HK sound, adaptive suspension, Enhanced USB, Black/black, and carbon trim.

Honestly, the amount of weight you will save by getting a stripped M will not make a difference in anything noticeable by you. Same thing when people get a new exhaust that adds 10 hp, or an intake that adds 5. Compared to the 400+ HP of the M, those differences, by themselves, are insignificant, and no-ones butt-dyno is tuned well enough to notice a 5, or 10 HP difference. Heck, even a 20 HP difference is likely to not be noticed by most people. Same thing with cutting weight on a 3400+ lb car. You won't notice a 50 lb difference.
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The 18" wheels are significantly lighter, and actually look better IMO. Certainly the decreased unsprung weight will matter more for handling and acceleration than the few lbs you have saved elsewhere.

The only thing I would change on my order is to get the aluminum blade trim, and go with the 18's, instead of the 19's. Of course, I don't have my M4 yet, so that might all change. I got it with the Exec pkg, moonroof, 6 MT, LED lighting, HK sound, adaptive suspension, Enhanced USB, Black/black, and carbon trim.

You won't notice a 50 lb difference.
So you would go with the 18s instead of the 19s for looks alone? Or would you get them to offset the weight you added with the moonroof? I don't understand anyone worrying about weight when you get a moonroof or vert. But I do understand why people want each of them.
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So you would go with the 18s instead of the 19s for looks alone? Or would you get them to offset the weight you added with the moonroof? I don't understand anyone worrying about weight when you get a moonroof or vert. But I do understand why people want each of them.
No, no, no. I was saying, if you were getting a stripped car, trying to reduce the weight, you should go with the 18s.

For me, I got the 19s (and the moonroof, as I said), because I thought I liked the looks of the 19s better. But, I have since decided I am getting aftermarket wheels (wider and better looks, but not lighter), and because if that, I wish I would have gone with the 18s, as I plan on put some R-Comp tires on the stock wheels for track days. Given that, it would have been better to get the 18s, as I plan on track use for them.

That all makes sense in my head, hopefully it makes sense to you.
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That all makes sense in my head, hopefully it makes sense to you.
Surely does! It all comes down to the price difference between the 18in takeoff wheels and tires vs the 19in wheels and tires when you list them in the classified. Does the price difference cover the option you paid for? No use putting your money on the line hoping for a few $100 payday that may not be there in the end.
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WTF - 2 weeks and buyer's remorse already!!!??? You didn't even give depreciation a chance to kick in.

Honestly, I find this thread depressing.

Sir Loin - the master of the Options Survey - doesn't want anything to do with them now.
This is a useful thread, think about it, us telling what went wrong.

Anyway, either of the cars I build had leds and after the night driving with the American coding shit I can honestly say they are way, way too dangerous for my milk run times. I'm happy the owners of the cars I build won't have to live with them.

I would drive mainly by night, but I just don't have working lights to support it, and the (no coffee so no words, sorry) light beam is way too wide to be used even on highways while other traffic is remotely there.

I'll go and beg Loin to fix them with coding, after that and if it doesn't work, Lups gets the other ones to Peter. Angels are in my eyes when a deer jumping on the road takes away high beams.
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I ordered almost a stripper & I wouldn't change a turning.

Executive Package
Adaptive M Suspension
Manual Transmission

68,225 and I paid 66,000.

The only thing I would consider are the 19s.. But the roads here are so bad.. I appreciate the extra tire on the 18s.

With that said.. I don't think I could live without most of the items in the executive package haha. I'm so accustomed to walking up to doors and touching them to unlock & parking sensors. I barely even look at the rear view camera but parking sensors are incredibly useful. The HUD is really nice IMO, I rarely look down at the speedometer anymore. I'm impressed by its refresh rate given how fast the M accelerates lol.
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I think the car looks strange on 18s. Even on a stripper, I'd pay the upcharge for 19s unless the plan was the buy new wheels.
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I opted for 19"s, extended, manual box, metallic color, HK system and that's it.

Car looks on point for me, it has much of the sportiness that I like but a flare of comfort inside with the leather seats and two-toned doors.

Couldn't do the 18"s, I think the wheel design is nice but just way too small for this car. The m4 is not really a tiny sports car like maybe the M2 will be, so little wheels really don't do the car any justice. That being said, I haven't seen a set of aftermarket wheels I like on the car yet, I'm sticking with my 19"s.
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Sir Loin,

Have you played with the settings of the HUD? Mine isn't gray or fuzzy, as you noted somewhere else. Mine looks very sharp and is a nice white. It shouldn't be fuzzy. You may want to check out another car's setup, if you can't get yours dialed in.
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If you are considering getting a stripped car (stripper car makes me think of nekkid wimmenz...), why would you get the 19"s? The 18" wheels are significantly lighter, and actually look better IMO. Certainly the decreased unsprung weight will matter more for handling and acceleration than the few lbs you have saved elsewhere.

Honestly, the amount of weight you will save by getting a stripped M will not make a difference in anything noticeable by you. Same thing when people get a new exhaust that adds 10 hp, or an intake that adds 5. Compared to the 400+ HP of the M, those differences, by themselves, are insignificant, and no-ones butt-dyno is tuned well enough to notice a 5, or 10 HP difference. Heck, even a 20 HP difference is likely to not be noticed by most people. Same thing with cutting weight on a 3400+ lb car. You won't notice a 50 lb difference.
agree with your last paragraph

but, the 18s are less than 2 lbs lighter than the 19s when weighed with tires per EAS's measurements. the gains from this are basically not even measureable.

as for my order, I don't regret any options per say, but perhaps my color choice.

M3

Mineral white
full Sonoma beige
cf trim
cf roof
6mt
silver 19s
hk audio
adaptive suspension

70k build and im paying 66.4k. To me, the car is basically as fully loaded with luxury and tech as I would ever want when spec'd this way. Color is what im not certain about. I also strongly considered YMB/SS and BSM/SS combo....
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Choices and more choices

Thanks I think this is a great thread, especially for those of us that have yet to order one! I definitely value the opinion of the current owners. The wait is definitely cruel thou...
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I wouldnt change much honestly....

Current build:

AW
Manual
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SO Leather
Silver 19s
Adaptive suspension.

I might add CCB if i was feeling saucy, but just for the no brake dust. The steels bite just fine.
Color though.... SO or SII


Thats pretty much it...
No idea you could get it in AW, how much would it be?
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Stripped down except for adaptive suspension. Nothing else.

The options packages stunk from any sort of value perspective. Would I like comfort access? Sure. But I don't want parking sensors, headlight washers, and other stuff with it.

Some reviews I read actually stated the carbonstructure interior was the most comfortable seating, which past experience is consistent with....and so I was happy to stick with it. I'd love a leather dash, but the prices were outrageous for it.

H&K radio - Unless you've sat in the car and listened to the differences between standard/upgraded, then you've paid for something expensive upon the hope it's better

I wanted the 18" wheels, though I'll admit the 19s fill the wheel wells better stock.

LED lighting package? Xenons are a must for me and are amazing technology still to me. I saw no benefit, for me, for the LEDs.

I've learned to despise parking distance sensors. I was a better driver, with less annoyance, BEFORE I started having those things on my vehicles.

...

So, for me, I've got a "stripper". Except in 2015, it's not a stripper - I've got navi, streaming bluetooth, heated seats, and all sorts of bad-ass technology part and parcel.

My MSRP was $63k (without delivery). I'm getting it for $60k even.
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