M3/M4 vs. GT350

Roadkiller · 11-18-2014, 05:15 PM

Damn, looks like I might have to put America muscle back on the list. I know BMW is attempting to be great stewards of the environment and make everyone happy but ------ Chevy and Ford are saying "what the hell" and rolling out some mean kick a$s beasts. And a lot of people (including me) are noticing. The sound of this car reminds me of the first time I heard a Cobra....wow.

par__m3 · 11-18-2014, 05:48 PM

From the Q&A it really seems like they plan on wowing us with pricing.

TunedM2C · 11-18-2014, 08:39 PM

Engine pic posted on Ford's site.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/fea...#page=Feature4

hellrotm · 11-18-2014, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadkiller

know BMW is attempting to be great stewards of the environment and make everyone happy but ------ Chevy and Ford are saying "what the hell"...

Funny thing is the Stingray gets better mpg than the new M3/M4.

SakhirM4 · 11-18-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Funny thing is the Stingray gets better mpg than the new M3/M4.

Where have you seen that??

hellrotm · 11-18-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Where have you seen that??

Where ever you want to see it. Their respective brand websites or on fueleconomy.gov.

M4 - 17 city, 20 combined, 26 highway

Stingray - 17 city, 21 combined, 29 highway

Roadkiller · 11-18-2014, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Where ever you want to see it. Their respective brand websites or on fueleconomy.gov.

M4 - 17 city, 20 combined, 26 highway

Stingray - 17 city, 21 combined, 29 highway

I stand corrected.

ManAndMachine · 11-18-2014, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M3Owner

This engine should've been in the F8x Ms...

Easily could have been,but BMW opted to use the 3.0L turbo engine in pretty much everything off the assembly line

Way to go FORD!!

dkhm3 · 11-18-2014, 11:47 PM

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Great to hear "affordability" was a big part. I just have a hunch we are in for a surprise. Starting msrp 51500 sounds pretty delicious

I think you can look at the cars they benchmarked. The lowest priced ones are Corvette and z/28

It will be priced a bit lower than that. Which means 60k ish.

dkhm3 · 11-18-2014, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Funny thing is the Stingray gets better mpg than the new M3/M4.

Doesn't the v8 in the corvette have cylinder deactivation? that's probably the reason. plus a really really tall final gear- and do they still have the 1st-4th shift?

FogCityM3 · 11-19-2014, 12:06 AM

Interesting. So if one takes 400 lb ft of peak tq, let's assume 85% of it up to redline (in what would be reasonably expected in a flat-plane crank engine) = 340 lb ft x 8100 rpm / 5252 =~524 bhp at peak. At 8000 rpm, would be ~517 bhp, at 8200 rpm ~531 bhp

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Originally Posted by Strongbark

Engine pic posted on Ford's site.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/fea...#page=Feature4

mkoesel · 11-19-2014, 08:45 AM

Based on the response about the displacement in that interview (thanks for posting Strongbark), the bore dimension of the engine is about 94.5 mm. That's pretty impressive for an engine with 100mm bore spacing - only 5.5mm of material betwwen cylinders. The S65, for comparison's sake, has a 92mm bore with a 98mm bore center (the latter dimension common to all BMW V8s). I think the old P60B40 race engine is 94mm bore though (but that doesn't have to go 150k miles without failing).

Of course when you look at stroke, the Voodoo has 92.8mm (same as Coyote according to the interview), while the S65 is just 75.2mm. Now, the Audi V8 and V10 engines in the R8 and RS4 also have a 92.8mm stroke. Those engines, however, have only a 90mm bore center (as does the new AMG 4.0L V8, by the way - very compact designs, these two), and as a result have a relatively small bore of 84.5mm. So roughly speaking, what Ford has done is take the longest stroke and biggest bore of the high revving engines out there and combine them into one high revving beast to end them all. Pretty awesome.

See5 · 11-19-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dkhm3

Doesn't the v8 in the corvette have cylinder deactivation? that's probably the reason. plus a really really tall final gear- and do they still have the 1st-4th shift?

Still has skip shift.

28mpg highway without deactivation, 30mpg with it on. They just split the difference.

Put the C7 in 6th around 60mph, leave it in Eco mode and it'll post some ridiculous mpg numbers in my experience(35+mpg). It runs much better in V4 mode with a few revs on the tach.

M4TW · 11-19-2014, 10:29 AM

I'll tell you what I like about this car - EVERYTHING. If we are positively gushing about this car over here in Bimmerpost, however, I imagine that they must be stark raving mad about it over in Ford world. This means that you'll probably have to beat out a lot of rednecks in line in order to get your paws on one. Good luck. I also don't think Ford will actually have to run the Gt350 against most of its competition. The argument "yes, but its got the Voodoo engine" will result in races being conceded. Carol Shelby won't be turning in his grave over this one. He'll be doing burnouts.

///Mthusiast · 11-19-2014, 04:35 PM

I'm actually amazed that ford had the balls to do something like this. Wow.

hova00 · 11-19-2014, 04:48 PM

Gonna be a lot of M owners with Ford envy over the GT350 especially when it whoops that ass.

swanson · 11-19-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hova00

Gonna be a lot of M owners with Ford envy over the GT350 especially when it whoops that ass.

gthal · 11-19-2014, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hova00

Gonna be a lot of M owners with Ford envy over the GT350 especially when it whoops that ass.

Why envy? Wouldn't someone just buy a GT350 if they liked it that much?

It's really easy to sell your M and buy a GT350 if it is causing someone to be envious. My problem is deciding between all of the options... there are SOOOO many these days... Corvettes, Mustangs, C63s, M4s, Cayman GTS, 911, Jags... I'm exhausted just thinking about it

dkhm3 · 11-19-2014, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hova00

Gonna be a lot of M owners with Ford envy over the GT350 especially when it whoops that ass.

I have a 4 door. no penis envy here.

Have not had good experiences with Ford, but my last Ford was in the 90's.

Not cross shopping Fords with BMW's. maybe ats-v's or c63's.

Nice Mustang though, it is a special car. Never saw that many GT500's or BOSS or even Z/28's in my neck of the woods. Probably because I'm in LA.

JTO24 · 11-19-2014, 07:03 PM

A GT350 in all Black sans stripes would be killer.. I'm still leaning F80 M3 since it'll be a DD but I can't deny the awesomeness of this beast.

Jockey · 11-19-2014, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hova00

Gonna be a lot of M owners with Ford envy over the GT350 especially when it whoops that ass.

Ha, nope. But we can all appreciate how amazing this car is.

This might be shocking, but most M owners didn't buy the car because of a dick measuring contest.

phoenx · 11-19-2014, 07:56 PM

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A GT350 in all Black sans stripes would be killer.. I'm still leaning F80 M3 since it'll be a DD but I can't deny the awesomeness of this beast.

Yuuup. Ill be picking the f80 because of the 4 doors. If i was in the market for a 2 door, this car would be my number 1 pick. Perhaps if i get rid of my e46 m3 as my 2 door car for the mustang but i love that e46 too much to ever get rid of it.

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mkoesel Moderator 7512 Rep 19,368 Posts Drives: No BMW for now Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canton, MI iTrader: (1)	Based on the response about the displacement in that interview (thanks for posting Strongbark), the bore dimension of the engine is about 94.5 mm. That's pretty impressive for an engine with 100mm bore spacing - only 5.5mm of material betwwen cylinders. The S65, for comparison's sake, has a 92mm bore with a 98mm bore center (the latter dimension common to all BMW V8s). I think the old P60B40 race engine is 94mm bore though (but that doesn't have to go 150k miles without failing). Of course when you look at stroke, the Voodoo has 92.8mm (same as Coyote according to the interview), while the S65 is just 75.2mm. Now, the Audi V8 and V10 engines in the R8 and RS4 also have a 92.8mm stroke. Those engines, however, have only a 90mm bore center (as does the new AMG 4.0L V8, by the way - very compact designs, these two), and as a result have a relatively small bore of 84.5mm. So roughly speaking, what Ford has done is take the longest stroke and biggest bore of the high revving engines out there and combine them into one high revving beast to end them all. Pretty awesome.
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