Moving on from F80 - what are your thoughts on my next car choices?

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Hi Guys,

I've owned my 2016 F80 for about a year and a half and never really fallen in love with it. It's fast and looks great, but I don't enjoy driving it at all. To give you guys perspective, I bought it with basically 20k miles and it's now at 26k miles.

The biggest thing I hate about it is that it's not fun to rev out- there's no visceral thrill with this car. It sounds like complete garbage.

Rather than keep paying for a car I don't like, I'm going to sell it off and I was basically dead set on getting a 2016 Cayman GT4 which is exactly what I wanted - fast enough, manual, amazing soundtrack, and magical handling.

Until the dealership that I was working with came across a 6 speed manual 2007 Ferrari F430.

Price is exactly the same for both cars- $90K and the F430 has 23K miles on it.

I'm going to test drive it this week, but anyone think I'm crazy for entertaining an F430 over the GT4?


My (hopefully soon to be M3):

Thanks!

I was in the same spot as you. Started with an F80 M3 with just about every M performance part available. While the car looked good, the drive, steering, suspension, and sound never put a smile on my face. I then bought an M4 and while I by and large prefer coupes, the same thing occurred - good looks but subjectively a major let down.

I own a 991.1S (last of the NA Carrera sans GT cars) and this year bought a Miami Blue 991.2S as well as a 718 Cayman GTS.

I nearly bought a GT4 instead of the 718 GTS, but knowing that new GT4 is coming I decided against as I am looking to either go for the 718 GT4 or grab an incoming 992.

In your case, I’d go with the GT4. I think the GT4 is more fun to drive than an F430 (good bit lighter, worlds of difference in suspension and handling) and IMO looks better even though the Ferrari will be a bit more of a head turner. The other reasons I’d side with the GT4 is the quality and reliability as other have stated.

[shortseller]

This...

[///M Ryder]

992 looks better in the flesh for sure. Got a good walk around last week and I think it's about time Porsche went to the carbon roof...….Phil

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

992 looks better in the flesh for sure. Got a good walk around last week and I think it's about time Porsche went to the carbon roof...….Phil

That’s one of the best looking side views I’ve seen. The front head on look looks so much like a frog with a wide fat mouth. Rear light bar reminds me of a cylon from battlestar. Sport design pack helps.

[AlterZgo]

For someone who is contemplating making the change from an M3 to a 911, is it difficult to get used to the longer front overhang? Virtually all BMWs have relatively short overhangs, but yet I still scrape my front bumper all the time and my car is minimally lowered... maybe 1.25" or so. Is it harder to drive a 911 over bumps and steep driveways without trashing the front bumper lip?

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

For someone who is contemplating making the change from an M3 to a 911, is it difficult to get used to the longer front overhang? Virtually all BMWs have relatively short overhangs, but yet I still scrape my front bumper all the time and my car is minimally lowered... maybe 1.25" or so. Is it harder to drive a 911 over bumps and steep driveways without trashing the front bumper lip?

I’ve never had an issue and scrape my 911 and Cayman GTS less than I did my M4 (likely due to it being lowered).

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

For someone who is contemplating making the change from an M3 to a 911, is it difficult to get used to the longer front overhang? Virtually all BMWs have relatively short overhangs, but yet I still scrape my front bumper all the time and my car is minimally lowered... maybe 1.25" or so. Is it harder to drive a 911 over bumps and steep driveways without trashing the front bumper lip?

I would invest in the front axle lift system- I have it on mine, and it barely clears my driveway, not because of the depth but rather because of the long concrete angle which would scratch that underbite of the 911.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

Is it harder to drive a 911 over bumps and steep driveways without trashing the front bumper lip?

Check for your particular model. It’s a cheap part typically to replace the bottom piece

[jpy1980]

So whatcha get?!!

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by jpy1980

So whatcha get?!!

Nothing yet- aside from I've decided to go with the GT4.

However, I'm taking the advice of someone above that said to wait until the new 718GT4 is announced and people start dumping their old GT4's which should drop the prices a little. My goal is to find one for around $75K with lower miles (they're around $90K right now).

This is the one I've had my eye on though for the past week:

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=231322329

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Nothing yet- aside from I've decided to go with the GT4.

However, I'm taking the advice of someone above that said to wait until the new 718GT4 is announced and people start dumping their old GT4's which should drop the prices a little. My goal is to find one for around $75K with lower miles (they're around $90K right now).

This is the one I've had my eye on though for the past week:

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=231322329

You never know how it is going to play out with GT car pricing

Personally, I wouldn't be so focused on the price, and rather, find one that was bought for bragging rights/garage queen purposes, versus one that has been used at the track

Also, do you have a 718 GT4 allocation? you might as well consider ordering versus a somewhat minor savings on a used car

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

You never know how it is going to play out with GT car pricing

Personally, I wouldn't be so focused on the price, and rather, find one that was bought for bragging rights/garage queen purposes, versus one that has been used at the track

Also, do you have a 718 GT4 allocation? you might as well consider ordering versus a somewhat minor savings on a used car

Agree, but I don't mind being patient and seeing how things play out. Also agree on finding a car that's been a garage queen.

No, from what I've gathered, I won't even qualify or be in line for an allocation since I don't have any history of buying Porsches. I've actually never ordered a car in my life now that I think about it. Aside from my wifes S4, I've always bought used cars.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Agree, but I don't mind being patient and seeing how things play out. Also agree on finding a car that's been a garage queen.

No, from what I've gathered, I won't even qualify or be in line for an allocation since I don't have any history of buying Porsches. I've actually never ordered a car in my life now that I think about it. Aside from my wifes S4, I've always bought used cars.

Always a good idea to wait. 991.1 gt3 owners got burned when the .2 was announced with the manual transmission (i dodged that bullet thankfully). And M2 owners got hosed when the comp was announced. And the same with M5 owners.

see how things play out with the 718 then make a decision. although with the 718 most likely being turbo, i'm not sure if the old GT4 will take a big hit.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

No, from what I've gathered, I won't even qualify or be in line for an allocation since I don't have any history of buying Porsches. I've actually never ordered a car in my life now that I think about it. Aside from my wifes S4, I've always bought used cars.

Never say never. I went through the allocation song and dance for my GT3 and although I got a late start I still pulled it off. Call a bunch of dealers, get on lists, be persistent and you may get lucky.

Yes you usually have super long lists but when it's time to pull the trigger people quite a few people decide to move on, or are already onto bigger and better things. I.e. cancelling their 718 GT4 allocation to get on the 992 GT3 list.

[///M Ryder]

Jump on Rennlist and checkout the classifieds.....there's been a couple on there for sub 90k with less miles. You can also get sellers to give you an over-rev report for a little more assurance. 718 GT4 will be N/A and Porsche will not under price it like they did the 981 GT4. So that might keep 981 prices prime...……...Phil

[Tflong24]

Originally Posted by Chris_DM

Never say never. I went through the allocation song and dance for my GT3 and although I got a late start I still pulled it off. Call a bunch of dealers, get on lists, be persistent and you may get lucky.

Yes you usually have super long lists but when it's time to pull the trigger people quite a few people decide to move on, or are already onto bigger and better things. I.e. cancelling their 718 GT4 allocation to get on the 992 GT3 list.

I was always under the impression you had to have some sort of history of purchasing Porsches or some sort of clout. A friend of mine here who had never purchased a Porsche, walked in our dealership, asked if they had an allocation for a GT3, they said yes, he ordered (at MSRP). He had it a month, they called him and said they had an allocation for a GT3 RS, did he want it, he took it, at MSRP. Traded his month old GT3 in, they gave him MSRP back for it, they then sold it to a dealer in Dallas who has it listed for 15k over original MSRP. His RS arrives in May.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Tflong24

I was always under the impression you had to have some sort of history of purchasing Porsches or some sort of clout. A friend of mine here who had never purchased a Porsche, walked in our dealership, asked if they had an allocation for a GT3, they said yes, he ordered (at MSRP). He had it a month, they called him and said they had an allocation for a GT3 RS, did he want it, he took it, at MSRP. Traded his month old GT3 in, they gave him MSRP back for it, they then sold it to a dealer in Dallas who has it listed for 15k over original MSRP. His RS arrives in May.

it depends.

i tried to offer my Ferrari as a trade for a 991.2 gt3 and they said no. have to buy a a few new cars from them... then you'll get on the list.

i bought my m3 from a Porsche dealer in texas. they said i had to be in state customer to get a gt3. and would have to sign an agreement that i would have to trade the car back in to them when I'm done.

i think florida/cali get many more allocations though since they have more customers for these cars.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

Jump on Rennlist and checkout the classifieds.....there's been a couple on there for sub 90k with less miles. You can also get sellers to give you an over-rev report for a little more assurance. 718 GT4 will be N/A and Porsche will not under price it like they did the 981 GT4. So that might keep 981 prices prime...……...Phil

If they push the 718 GT4 prices much further it’s not going to make sense for some (at least, for me it won’t).

It’s already stretching credibility for me when capability is compared with similarly priced c7z06, and any further increases won’t help.

I get that most don’t cross shop those cars, but I do and will be comparing capability closely between similarly priced “factory track style cars” before following though on my deposit

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

If they push the 718 GT4 prices much further it’s not going to make sense for some (at least, for me it won’t).

It’s already stretching credibility for me when capability is compared with similarly priced c7z06, and any further increases won’t help.

I get that most don’t cross shop those cars, but I do and will be comparing capability closely between similarly priced “factory track style cars” before following though on my deposit

Well, when an M3 in CS form can easily cost over $100K, and the M4 GTS was like $120K......a Cayman GT4 being $110-$120K...even $130K doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Well, when an M3 in CS form can easily cost over $100K, and the M4 GTS was like $120K......a Cayman GT4 being $110-$120K...even $130K doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.

Last time msrp for gt4 was $86k and gt3 was $133k

If the new gt3 msrp is $144k, I could see something close to $100k for gt4, to keep that price spread similar but no doubt porsche will want to make more $$$ from gt4

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Well, when an M3 in CS form can easily cost over $100K, and the M4 GTS was like $120K......a Cayman GT4 being $110-$120K...even $130K doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.

Its ALOT easier to get into a bmw lease compared to a Porsche, especially a GT car.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Its ALOT easier to get into a bmw lease compared to a Porsche, especially a GT car.

True, however, the GT4 today is worth in most cases 80-90% of its MSRP whereas the M4 GTS which were far more expensive and far more “limited” are at about 55-60% of their original MSRP.

Bmw financially engineers their cars for lease, meaning artificially high residuals, low money factor and invoice pricing or below on just about any car - M3/4 CS are selling for 20k off 100k MSRP cars.

Porsche cars sell much closer to their MSRP or for MSRP and they generally don’t make leasing a good option - though the 991 was leasing initially at 72% residual I believe when it was released for 24 months.