Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dmk08

There are incentives on the new G80 already? That doesn't bode well.

Also dealers are ripping people off. The car bubble and cryptocurrency are going to end up being the "next 2008".

There aren't any incentives that I know of.

[Multimodal]

The M3 (like almost every other model) qualifies for the typical factory incentives - military ($500 if you finance with BMW FS, $2500 if you don't), $500 loyalty if you finance with BMW FS, $1000 recent college grad, $1000 OL codes if you've been to a BMW event recently, $500 BMWCCA rebate, corporate fleet, etc.

Sorry to provide a narrative violation for your BMW disaster porn fantasies but most dealers have a backlog of orders for the new M3. It's hard to find a discount. Brokers have stopped taking discounted orders because they can't find allocations to fill them. And BMW Group sold more cars (636,606 units) in the first quarter of 2021 than it ever has before.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So....

...I went to the Porsche dealership where I obtained my allocation to discuss & adjust my build/production date, look at a car with Race-Tex and to check out another car with the AeroKit. If some of you remember, I had some concerns about SPASM making the wing gloss black and changing the front lip/side skirts from body colored to black ABS plastic. The GSM is going to check into that for me and let me know in the next few days. I am glad I visited the dealership because I was made aware that alcantara and Race-Tex are actually different fabrics (...see photos; alcantara on the left and Race-Tex on the right). I don't care for Race-Tex as much after seeing it in person and comparing it to the alcantara; the alcantara being a softer fabric with a slightly better feel. The jury is still out on whether or not I'll leave it on my build. I found the base audio to be sufficient after hearing it and the carbon fiber roof looks really good. Sold!.....although I'm considering jettisoning it in favor of a leather wrapped dash. Gahhhh! Choices!

P.S. Why does the Turbo/Turbo S look so much wider than the Carrera S?!?!

I personally prefer Race-Tex because it is more durable and less uh... fuzzy. Alcantara feels nice but it gets dirty fast, personally find it annoying to maintain.

Originally Posted by pbar

I really wish I understood any of the above. I don't normally lease cars - but everybody keeps telling me I should. It's things like this that make me really worried I'm going to get ripped off somehow! Do you know of a web page that explains why adding options can make a difference between leasing being a good idea or not?

On a happier note, ... heading to my local Porsche dealership this afternoon to drive a 992S and work on a spec.

Depends on which brand, leasing may or may not be a good choice. Mainly because they won't subsidize the monthly payments or price of the car. Unlike BMW, which does it for almost everything without you having to worry about it.

While I do not know leasing extremely well either (I am still learning), Porcshe has certain limits, as I described, of how much Porsche Financial is willing to subsidize on certain cars. I am pretty certain the ceiling on GT cars are definitly something you have to look out for if you are going to lease them but as most people finance Porsche GT cars, this doesn't really come up that often. That or they are loaded and don't care.

Subsidizing when it comes to car terms, basically means whichever brand's financial service is paying for part of it. So you aren't technically paying the full price when it comes to monthly. Some brands (like Porsche) has limits of how much the car can be before that turns into you paying for the full price/monthly. It also matter once it comes to buyout. The difference in 123k GT4 and a 130k GT4 buyout is significant. You're looking at north of 10k+ in difference for buyout price while you rmonthly jumps from 1,800ish to a little over 2k per month. It may seem little bit it adds up extremely quick monthly wise.

I probably didn't describe it that well but that's roughly the gist of it. GrussGott is probably better at explaining this than me. Again, I am personally still learning but dealerships and stuff pretty much deliberately made all of this confusing for a reason. My father taught me to generally finance to avoid the hassle as you end up most of the time, paying for the same thing if you are going to keep it. When it comes to Porsche, that is generally wise as Porsches aren't known to lease extremely well if you want a better trim. It's slightly different with BMW and all of their subsidizing and crud.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I personally prefer Race-Tex because it is more durable and less uh... fuzzy. Alcantara feels nice but it gets dirty fast, personally find it annoying to maintain.

Depends on which brand, leasing may or may not be a good choice. Mainly because they won't subsidize the monthly payments or price of the car. Unlike BMW, which does it for almost everything without you having to worry about it.

While I do not know leasing extremely well either (I am still learning), Porcshe has certain limits, as I described, of how much Porsche Financial is willing to subsidize on certain cars. I am pretty certain the ceiling on GT cars are definitly something you have to look out for if you are going to lease them but as most people finance Porsche GT cars, this doesn't really come up that often. That or they are loaded and don't care.

Subsidizing when it comes to car terms, basically means whichever brand's financial service is paying for part of it. So you aren't technically paying the full price when it comes to monthly. Some brands (like Porsche) has limits of how much the car can be before that turns into you paying for the full price/monthly. It also matter once it comes to buyout. The difference in 123k GT4 and a 130k GT4 buyout is significant. You're looking at north of 10k+ in difference for buyout price.

I probably didn't describe it that well but that's roughly the gist of it. GrussGott is probably better at explaining this than me. Again, I am personally still learning but dealerships and stuff pretty much deliberately made all of this confusing for a reason. My father taught me to generally finance to avoid the hassle as you end up most of the time, paying for the same thing if you are going to keep it. When it comes to Porsche, that is generally wise as Porsches aren't known to lease extremely well if you want a better trim. It's slightly different with BMW and all of their subsidizing and crud.

Mine never got dirty in my E46 ZCP or my most recent F82, but that could be because my OCD is off the charts.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Mine never got dirty in my E46 ZCP or my most recent F82, but that could be because my OCD is off the charts.

Could be lol.

My OCD is also extremely bad. Each time I saw dust and stuff on my M4's alcantara I put in, it annoyed me to no end. That's partially why I never bothered putting that stuff on my M3.

For me, even seeing it in different pattern after you touch the Alcantara bothers me because the hair for the alcantara moves. Ugh.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Could be lol.

My OCD is also extremely bad. Each time I saw dust and stuff on my M4's alcantara I put in, it annoyed me to no end. That's partially why I never bothered putting that stuff on my M3.

For me, even seeing it in different pattern after you touch the Alcantara bothers me because the hair for the alcantara moves. Ugh.

That's what I love about it and dislike about the Race-Tex. I wish the RT had that.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That's what I love about it and dislike about the Race-Tex. I wish the RT had that.

love hate relationship.

Not that I can do anything about it anyway. You know how much it costs to remove Race-Tex from the GT4 seats? A LOT.

At least 2k+ for removing the annoying seat inserts on the buckets. The regular seats is another story.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

I used to be a just a grey/blue guy, but when I saw the car at the dealership, it won me over. Initially, I was on the fence looking at the website.

Seriously, when I'm out on road trips, I've had people in other cars, take photos of my car and strangers give me compliments when I'm parked. Went to a dealer this week (I sold my DD as the prices got stupid and I only lost 15% of the price I paid after driving the car for 4 years), the dealer asked me to contact him if I ever considered selling as he wanted the car for himself.

Never had that in the years owning grey, blue BMWs, Audis etc.

More importantly, even my wife likes it lol, and all she cares about cars is the color.

SO has a duality; in some lighting, it looks red, in others, more orange. I will never look at red cars the same again.

Exactly. Those that don't want orange, don't want it. Those that want it, WANT IT. Thankfully, with cars like these, there tends to be fewer available silly colors than there are folks that want them. I'm basically in the boat of life is too short to not have a fun color. My personal daily drivers have been: Green, Red, Black, Black, Red, Blue, Blue, Brown, Gray and now Orange. I had an MGM M4 only because that's what was available. I was searching for an Imola or Avus M3 and settled for it. Loved it, but I'll not do that again. Both of my ordered BMWs were interesting colors...a Sparkling Brown 230i and this Sunset Orange M2C. Only the Aqua Blue 987.2 Cayman I had about 8-10 years back came close to the compliments I get on the M2C color...and that was mostly because back then most people had no idea what a Cayman was or that it was a Porsche. I'm all but certain the next one will be Green of some variant. Hopefully, Porsche's Python Green.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

The M3 (like almost every other model) qualifies for the typical factory incentives - military ($500 if you finance with BMW FS, $2500 if you don't), $500 loyalty if you finance with BMW FS, $1000 recent college grad, $1000 OL codes if you've been to a BMW event recently, $500 BMWCCA rebate, corporate fleet, etc.

Sorry to provide a narrative violation for your BMW disaster porn fantasies but most dealers have a backlog of orders for the new M3. It's hard to find a discount. Brokers have stopped taking discounted orders because they can't find allocations to fill them. And BMW Group sold more cars (636,606 units) in the first quarter of 2021 than it ever has before.

Almost all the "brokers" just resell through BMWDavid at BMW of Cantonsville.

No one said the car wouldn't sell. We all know it will. It's just ugly.

I'll also point out there are supply chain issues and many BMW models are "sold out" not just the M3.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

love hate relationship.

Not that I can do anything about it anyway. You know how much it costs to remove Race-Tex from the GT4 seats? A LOT.

At least 2k+ for removing the annoying seat inserts on the buckets. The regular seats is another story.

Yeah, I imagine it would be a pain in the ass. GT4 or bust, right?!?

BTW, here's my updated build code: PN92MT63

My target range for the car is $137k or less, so after sitting in a car with a standard interior (...e.g. no leather wrapped dash, doors, etc.), I had to do some soul searching. I've been in full leather BMW M's since the E9X's AND I've had carbon fiber roofs on all of those cars as well. Something had to give on this Carrera S in order for me to stay within budget. The equivalent of full leather interior won. I'll be much happier with that over the carbon fiber roof, especially considering it's not in my favorite 1x1 plain pattern.

What do you guys think of the build as it sits now? Ignore the configurator making the AeroKit gloss black.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Almost all the "brokers" just resell through BMWDavid at BMW of Cantonsville.

No one said the car wouldn't sell. We all know it will. It's just ugly.

I'll also point out there are supply chain issues and many BMW models are "sold out" not just the M3.

Let’s be real, the current auto market is crazy. If you can’t sell a model now, you are in trouble.

Kia Tellurides are being marked up $18k.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Let’s be real, the current auto market is crazy. If you can’t sell a model now, you are in trouble.

Kia Tellurides are being marked up $18k.

Yep. I bought a old ass 08 GX470 a few months ago for $12k and now it's worth $15k+. It's nuts.

I read the current microchip shortage may last 2 years. Shit is gonna get real crazy.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah, I imagine it would be a pain in the ass. GT4 or bust, right?!?

BTW, here's my updated build code: PN92MT63

My target range for the car is $137k or less, so after sitting in a car with a standard interior (...e.g. no leather wrapped dash, doors, etc.), I had to do some soul searching. I've been in full leather BMW M's since the E9X's AND I've had carbon fiber roofs on all of those cars as well. Something had to give on this Carrera S in order for me to stay within budget. The equivalent of full leather interior won. I'll be much happier with that over the carbon fiber roof, especially considering it's not in my favorite 1x1 plain pattern.

What do you guys think of the build as it sits now? Ignore the configurator making the AeroKit gloss black.

Looks great, only think I would change is get a leather color in something other than black, the interior looks excellent in two tone colors.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Let’s be real, the current auto market is crazy. If you can’t sell a model now, you are in trouble.

Kia Tellurides are being marked up $18k.

Yep, this was posted online after being spotted at a Kia dealer


At my local MB dealer they just had a customer trade their 21' G63 for a different G63 (a two-tone special paint edition) and he paid $40k in ADM's, his original G63 though didn't lose any value and the dealer is likely to sell it for more than it was new even as a used car. The market is absolutely crazy right now.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Looks great, only think I would change is get a leather color in something other than black, the interior looks excellent in two tone colors.

I considered it, but that would take me slightly out of budget. I believe the deviated leather is only an additional $980, so I may give that a spin.

I haven't had black leather in a car in soooooo long. It's been Imola Red or Palladium or Silverstone or......something other than black. Let me go back to the configurator and play.

edit:

I tried the deviated seat backs. I wasn't really feeling it. I swear, BMW hit it bang on with their new YMB/SPY/Black carbon bucket interior. That was 65-70% of the reason why I was going to buy the G8X!!!! In any case, I added leather around the steering column. I'm done. Build code: PN13Z1W1!!

[JN1]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah just the rears. The 2022 comes with clear markers up front.

Reminds me I need to get clear markers on the front of the 718, amongst other things.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

BTW, here's my updated build code: PN92MT63

This is not a fun game. So expensive and so many trade-offs.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah, I imagine it would be a pain in the ass. GT4 or bust, right?!?

BTW, here's my updated build code: PN92MT63

My target range for the car is $137k or less, so after sitting in a car with a standard interior (...e.g. no leather wrapped dash, doors, etc.), I had to do some soul searching. I've been in full leather BMW M's since the E9X's AND I've had carbon fiber roofs on all of those cars as well. Something had to give on this Carrera S in order for me to stay within budget. The equivalent of full leather interior won. I'll be much happier with that over the carbon fiber roof, especially considering it's not in my favorite 1x1 plain pattern.

What do you guys think of the build as it sits now? Ignore the configurator making the AeroKit gloss black.

For $230, get the extended range fuel tank. Literally one of my favorite Porsche options. I'd pay double or triple that price. Most reasonably priced option they offer.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

This is not a fun game. So expensive and so many trade-offs.

Yeah. No kidding. I'm continually swapping one thing for something else. I'm glad I had/have time. The initial suggestion(s) to ditch the roof didn't sink in until today; seeing the base interior was like......uhhhhh, no. I added an updated build code in my last post.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F8SEVEN

For $230, get the extended range fuel tank. Literally one of my favorite Porsche options. I'd pay double or triple that price. Most reasonably priced option they offer.

I had it on there originally, but subsequently removed it. I looked at the tank size of the F82 - which was fine - and the tank size of the G82. The base Carrera S gas tank falls right in line with that, so I think I can save a few hundred and apply it to the car cover. I won't drive the car much. I would be shocked if it even reaches 5k miles a year. I didn't even put more than 5k on my M4 in all of 2018-2020.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by JN1

Reminds me I need to get clear markers on the front of the 718, amongst other things.

What are your mod plans?

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I had it on there originally, but subsequently removed it. I looked at the tank size of the F82 - which was fine - and the tank size of the G82. The base Carrera S gas tank falls right in line with that, so I think I can save a few hundred and apply it to the car cover. I won't drive the car much. I would be shocked if it even reaches 5k miles a year. I didn't even put more than 5k on my M4 in all of 2018-2020.

Gotcha...I was thinking for second owner perspective mostly, I think a lot of Porsche drivers like it, especially the ones that do the road trip rally things...but it could just be me thinking wrong.