Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It's how we see it too. My wife and I are giving ICE it's final hurray with our upcoming driveway lineup (992TT and RS6). After that, it will very likely be all EV.

Right now we're renting a car: pick it up at the airport, drive it until the tank gets to 1/4, drop off and pick up a new one. Each 3/4 of a tank lasts about 1 month

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Does the 287k include Mini and RR?

Nope, just bmw-make vehicles

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Weeeelllll....

Originally Posted by Arcades

I remember seeing it on the Benz forums. It's apparently has a lot to do with the regulations.

The new C63 is like a Inline 4 + Electric Engine or something along those lines.

Which is going to be super bad for us as we lose the only other car we can get lol.

Think the only car in a few years on the AMG side that will retain it's V8 is going to be the AMG GT 4-door and the AMG GT. All other cars in the AMG range might downsize to a Inline 6 otherwise.

I actually like the irony.

No fan of disappearing V8's, but AMG have been prepping for this transition fellas.





Also have to admit, I am not opposed to hybrid tech now that turbos are everywhere. Particularly once the weight is optimized.

See what McLaren released same day of 992 GT3?

[RugbyBro]

Not to keep the discussion on Porsche, but I think this video is quite relevant to the themes of this thread. Obviously a GT3 is way outside most people's needs or ability to use, and I don't like seeing them as trophy pieces that are housed away... BUT one of the overall points of the video is it represents what we all look to and for from a performance brand and how the cutting edge performance concepts should define a manufacturer's reputation.

[deeldoo]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Not to keep the discussion on Porsche, but I think this video is quite relevant to the themes of this thread. Obviously a GT3 is way outside most people's needs or ability to use, and I don't like seeing them as trophy pieces that are housed away... BUT one of the overall points of the video is it represents what we all look to and for from a performance brand and how the cutting edge performance concepts should define the a manufacturer's reputation.

Exactly, i judge a brand on the best it can produce.

I don't care about how comfy your 3 series it, or how many macans you sell.

The reason people are buying macans, or are buying 340i's is because most likely at some point they fell in love with the poster car for the brand, or they know what that badge symbolizes.

If the best BMW is showing this generation is this abomination of a G8X good luck selling standard 3 series to people. People buy your badge, and the dream you sell them.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by deeldoo

The reason people are buying macans, or are buying 340i's is because most likely at some point they fell in love with the poster car for the brand, or they know what that badge symbolizes.

No doubts that's part of it, but I'd add the brand has to deliver on its heritage and reputation ... For example, the 4-cyl 718s sold like shit everywhere but China (to 30-something Chinese women, btw) - it's because that car just didn't sound like a Porsche and few in western markets want a 4-cyl Porsche roadster:

"With the four-cylinder, we have to say we lost some of the volume in, let me say more traditional markets. And we all know the engine is really good and the car drives very nicely but you know what I talked about emotions? This [engine] is different. ... Now with adding the six-cylinder again – with the GTS and GT4 – we hope and we can already see in the order intakes that our more traditional markets, Europe, UK, Australia, US, the interest on the 718 really comes back"

--Frank-Steffen Walliser, 718 Model Lead, May 2020

Each vehicle has to flow from the heritage and principles of the brand: it's not enough for a Macan to be a Porsche, it has to drive, sound, and feel like an SUV Porsche, and be differentiated from its peers like a Porsche ... If it doesn't and isn't, people are more willing than ever to leave a brand.

And in the auto-market not only are existing brands quickly moving up-market - like Hyundai - but you've got startups like Tesla who's overtaken Audi, and new startups coming online. Brands just don't have the "seigniorage" they did 20 years ago, i.e., people willing to buy stuff just because of it ... let's face it, 95% of people here (100%?) will buy a Hyundai over BMW if it's actually better and a better value.

In other words, these days, brands have to consistently over-deliver on what they symbolize or people will ghost them faster than a GT3 can get to 60.


The G8x doesn't look like a BMW ... and if it doesn't drive like one the only way the G8x gets through this is if there aren't better alternatives -- you can bet Hyundai and others see the unforced error and are coming for BMW.

[CT_M3]

You touched on something here that hasn't quite been voiced by all of us in this thread. It's an excellent point that sums up a lot of what I think and feel but haven't put down on paper.

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Each vehicle has to flow from the heritage and principles of the brand: it's not enough for a Macan to be a Porsche, it has to drive, sound, and feel like an SUV Porsche, and be differentiated from its peers like a Porsche ... If it doesn't and isn't, people are more willing than ever to leave a brand.

The G8x doesn't look like a BMW.....and if it doesn't drive like one the only way the G8x gets through this is if there aren't better alternatives -- you can bet Hyundai and others see the unforced error and are coming for BMW.

With the latest iterations (ignore the M2CS, F90 M5s), this is what everyone here is pointing out indirectly. That BMW is evolving into something very different from its past heritage. If you actually rate the past M generations on driver involvement, BMW has been on this slow slide of declining driver involvement. By involvement, I'm thinking of road feedback, steering feel etc.

That has left us where we are now with the latest line of BMWs. Sled rockets and a much muted feel, selling bespoke interiors with gadgets rather than actual performance advances.

So, what do the latest iterations of the full BMW lineup tell us?

As deeldoo pointed out, that was my thinking too with the M cars. Its sad to see the bean counters at BMW dilute their top performance line in an effort to push numbers. The G8x is just another nail in the coffin.

Oh, you can bet Hyundai and others coming fast for BMW, irrespective of a slip up.

[deeldoo]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

No doubts that's part of it, but I'd add the brand has to deliver on its heritage and reputation ... For example, the 4-cyl 718s sold like shit everywhere but China (to 30-something Chinese women, btw) - it's because that car just didn't sound like a Porsche and few in western markets want a 4-cyl Porsche roadster:

"With the four-cylinder, we have to say we lost some of the volume in, let me say more traditional markets. And we all know the engine is really good and the car drives very nicely but you know what I talked about emotions? This [engine] is different. ... Now with adding the six-cylinder again – with the GTS and GT4 – we hope and we can already see in the order intakes that our more traditional markets, Europe, UK, Australia, US, the interest on the 718 really comes back"

--Frank-Steffen Walliser, 718 Model Lead, May 2020

Each vehicle has to flow from the heritage and principles of the brand: it's not enough for a Macan to be a Porsche, it has to drive, sound, and feel like an SUV Porsche, and be differentiated from its peers like a Porsche ... If it doesn't and isn't, people are more willing than ever to leave a brand.

And in the auto-market not only are existing brands quickly moving up-market - like Hyundai - but you've got startups like Tesla who's overtaken Audi, and new startups coming online. Brands just don't have the "seigniorage" they did 20 years ago, i.e., people willing to buy stuff just because of it ... let's face it, 95% of people here (100%?) will buy a Hyundai over BMW if it's actually better and a better value.

In other words, these days, brands have to consistently over-deliver on what they symbolize or people will ghost them faster than a GT3 can get to 60.


The G8x doesn't look like a BMW ... and if it doesn't drive like one the only way the G8x gets through this is if there aren't better alternatives -- you can bet Hyundai and others see the unforced error and are coming for BMW.

Couldn't have said it better.

You have to deliver on what got you there.

The one thing i personally believe that has BMW, Mercedes, and Audi to an extent going for it is the mid size luxury sedan segment. Especially the entry level 3 series, C class, and A4.

I personally know more than a handful of acquaintances and family friends that don't know anything about what an M car is, an AMG or anything else.

What they do know is Bmw, mercedes, and audi means you made it, and the entry level model is your cheapest ticket to that title.

I don't know what segment of their customer base this comprises of, but i think regardless how ugly the G8X is, that segment is more likely to stay.

It's the whole "foreign, german, badge whoring".

I personally find this is the reason i wouldn't include Porsche in the conversation as they have built sports cars, that's what their platform was, their reputation has stayed so true to their roots that they don't even build entry level cheapish 4 door sedans. A Porsche owner is in a different stratosphere, this is also probably why porsche doesn't make compromises and listens more. Porsche owners are far more educated than the other german big 3.

Regardless what happens, launching this G8X at best is a lateral move and at worst is downright brand suicide.

[Darth One]

Can we please have a trigger warning before posting or quoting that iX video thumbnail

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Darth One

Can we please have a trigger warning before posting or quoting that iX video thumbnail

I hope you like my new profile picture.

[GERMAN M3]

Originally Posted by swagon

I hope you like my new profile picture.

Noooooo......I can’t take it swagon !
It hurts my eyes!!

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by swagon

I hope you like my new profile picture.

[Darth One]

Originally Posted by swagon

I hope you like my new profile picture.

Legit LOL moment. Well played

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

I hope you like my new profile picture.

Oh my god

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by swagon

I hope you like my new profile picture.

[stein_325i]

114 M3/4's in the US on Autotrader. Get ready to start seeing ugly on your daily commute.

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

114 M3/4's in the US on Autotrader. Get ready to start seeing ugly on your daily commute.

Smart move by these dealers for not posting a pic of the car lol

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Smart move by these dealers for not posting a pic of the car lol

Now that they are in the US there is no excuses for the lack of reviews. Get these cars off to the press!

[stein_325i]

The front page has been made beautiful again!

Verde Ermes M4 journal. The last RHD individual F82 https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1751206

[R N M]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

114 M3/4's in the US on Autotrader. Get ready to start seeing ugly on your daily commute.

Wow over $90k on all these cars 😳

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

The front page has been made beautiful again!

Verde Ermes M4 journal. The last RHD individual F82 https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1751206

Thats a gorgeous color.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Some waste no time with the performance info : 6:55.34 'ring time.

Still no G8X reviews with deliveries imminent. Spotted this on the BMWUSA M5 CS page. Between the claim and the headrests, why no published time and video?

The 2022 BMW M5 CS is more than another high-performance four-door sedan. With a 2.9 second 0-60 mph time, it's the fastest production BMW in history. And that's not just straight-line acceleration – it's also the fastest road-ready BMW sedan around the Nürburgring.

Side note -- 992 sounds noticeably more flat through the rev range, especially top end. Particulate filter effect?