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It doesn't to me either. The M4 CS rides better and feels softer than my ZCP did in stock form. What I think is weird is that each progressive model is said to be stiffer but, I think actually ride better than the previous ones.
Base was terrible, ZCP was great and the M4 CS is the best yet IMO for ride quality. I wouldn't want it any softer, it would be interesting to drive a M3 CS back to back with my car to see if there is any noticeable difference. |
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Also, coding will only get you so far. It isn't apples to apples depending on a lot of factors as you know. |
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Id wager a zcp with cs coding is probably ideal for the median person. Its definitely a more comfortable ride with a higher quality more refined feel. |
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Congrats on the deal and the new car |
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I got 61k in trade plus labor help in switching my mods over. From what I'm hearing anything over 60 is pretty good and I had 14k miles on mine. So not the lowest mileage for a one year old car. |
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I do wonder if some of the perception of a smoother ride is more due to the muted suspension impact sounds over bumps vs. the CP & base coding where it does sometimes crash through the body structure.
Thanks O/P for your feedback, especially since you've had actual track experience on various suspension set-ups including your ZCP w/ CS coding and how you managed to improve by 2 seconds off the bat on a stock CS.
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As soon as I switched to FI-Rs the feel in steering was improved a lot. Then of course switching into KW DDC with CS EDC coding changed the feeling of my car significantly. Is it close to CS car? I'm honestly not sure, it might be one of those person to person type things but most of the hardware of the CS can be retrofitted. The only thing you cannot fully replicate is the CS tune BMW does. BMW has a odd ability to tune their cars so uniquely that it's just close to impossible to 100% replicate.
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Why wouldn’t a cs coded ZCP car handle more sporty/firm/better than a cs? It has the same software but more aggressive hardware.
Then run a bm3 stage 1. And it’s good night. The negative obviously is warranty. But these cars are starting to age. Warranty is going away anyways. I do love the hood and lip spoiler though and that blue is exceptional. But I think from a pure performance perspective the ZCP car is the better choice. |
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I'm excited to get my 20' ZCP in a few weeks. Worst case scenario is that I have to tune it and take my chances with the crank hub. |
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My warranty isn't going away for 3 years 361 days or 49,800 miles. |
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Thx, congrats on yours as well. There is no perfect car unfortunately. Fortunately all of these are damn amazing cars.
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Thanks, you as well! You'll have to let me know how the new DCT ZCP feels compared to your current car. I'm genuinely interested in if it was the 6MT that made it feel slower or if it truly was the engine mapping.
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I didn't do so because I switched out my stock suspension before I did my coding. But I remember how floaty my non-ZCP 15' M4 was and I found the rebounding just aggravating. Half of the time I felt that the car was going to literally float up and away. KW DDC w/ CS EDC coding feels good. Comfort is very comfy. Sport feels a like a good in between which is what I tend to use when I get lazy. Sport+ is very stiff, you feel everything. But the most important part is that dampening and rebound is noticeable between all three settings. You literally feel the car change now, unlike stock suspension where the dampening seems to not change but the rebound does.
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Note that stiffer does not necessarily imply better performance. In general terms softer suspension tuning translates to increased overall grip while stiffer translates to a sharper handling response.
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The shocks are valved the same (same dyno curves) and for a certain spring rate range (which the ZCP/Base springs fall into). It's possible that there is a scaling factor applied based on the measurements taken from the shock acceleration sensor (sensing the up and down motions of the wheel when hitting bumps) and telling the electronic adjuster at the top of the shock to stiffen/soften the shock. So if the M4 runs stiffer springs vs the M3, then it may not matter in the end, since the sensor really is the one determining the appropriate shock adjustment based on wheel motion (up/down). |
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If BMW really has the same EDC software in the M3cs than in the M4cs, it truly makes the M3cs a half ass effort.
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