Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by No Boost

7:09!

Oh my that thing looks and sounds amazing. Anyone notice the 9k rpm red line? Did they put the GT3 engine in it or is it a modified GT4 engine?

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by dms-01

Damn that's rad. I went on Safari like 14+ years ago at Madikwe Game Reserve (https://www.madikwegamereserve.co.za/) in SA. I loved every bit of it but all of my pictures were on film and I would have killed for today's camera phones. Flight sucked though, 19 hours nonstop but I wouldn't hesitate to go back there.

Was that a day trip? Wondering how involved it was?

No day trips and only one conventional game drive the first evening. Everything else, including the lion hunt, was seen on the road from the land rovers. Yes, flights are rough. 33 hours out and 27 back. Layovers in Frankfurt. First of which I left the airport for some Oktoberfest bier and schweinshaxe at Paulaner am Dom!!!

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Did they put the GT3 engine in it?

If they did, can you imagine the ADM and extra limited availability? I can see it now...."available to 918 and Carerra GT past or current owners at this time".

C&D thinks it's just a developed version of the GT4 4.0 which will make over 500 HP.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...t4-rs-preview/

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

my 540i, drove like a damn Buick ... The M550i I test drove had the same issue, great engine, poor chassis.

Originally Posted by alex2364

I wouldn't count on that. They might have fixed the grill but spy shots of the new 5 shows a droopy hood and trunk.

Yeah, I agree ... I was trying to be positive but I think the ultimate driving machine has become the ultimate accountants machine

[paulo_f80m3]

Originally Posted by F8SEVEN

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This is still more pleasant to look at than the new G8X..

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Oh my that thing looks and sounds amazing. Anyone notice the 9k rpm red line? Did they put the GT3 engine in it or is it a modified GT4 engine?

I don't think they did, it is definitely a tuned, slightly retooled engine from the GT4.

AP mentioned before it takes too much compromise for the car to shove that engine into the car. The GT3 engine is too different and it doesn't fit properly. Some Rennlistters says it does, AP mentioned in the video before it's the separate cooling is the problem. Not to mention the GT3 engine has a different audio characteristic when it is on the higher RPM, that isn't present in the 982 GT4. GT4 RS so far looks like Porsche's typical style of over engineering something. Exhaust + whatever they did to the RS version of the GT4 that required more cooling since they are pushing more into the engine by the side vents behind the driver. They could have done whatever they could do make it as close to the GT3's banshee howling style audio.

I could be wrong but I don't see it from a financial perspective either. Regardless of how much pull AP and the Porsche GT division has, if the GT4 RS ends up being a limited run (which we don't know because Porsche doesn't like to say anything~) then doing all of that R&D just for this car is weird. As the current GT4 engine is set to be put in other cars that can use it while it took a lot of tickering on Porsche's part to make the GT3 engine legal because of the typical government mumbo jumbo. Then again, it could be Porsche doing... well Porsche stuff because they can while BMW is probably finally realizing their "new" look direction isn't good.

Also, fun thing I see Rennlist people OCDing the video. The car can now hit... 105 in 2nd gear lol. Boy, if you have people bitching about tall gearing before, this is taller!

[swagon]

Originally Posted by F8SEVEN

I am back and ready to go buy a Defender 90!

This is exactly why OEMs pay for these events.

Looks epic in photos!!! What an experience

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by No Boost

If they did, can you imagine the ADM and extra limited availability? I can see it now...."available to 918 and Carerra GT past or current owners at this time".

C&D thinks it's just a developed version of the GT4 4.0 which will make over 500 HP.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...t4-rs-preview/

The ADM is already through the roof. Given the current circumstances with the world and the chip shortage. This car's availability will be low and that is saying something because the GT4 and Spyder siblings are already pretty low production. Even smaller production for this car something else. 718's aren't made in volumes like the 911 is.

Some dude on Rennlist said (I am lurking) some dealership sold an allocation for the GT4 RS at 100k ADM. That is excessive but I think the average will be AT least 50k+. I asked before and was given an number but I choose not to.

Price wise, with ADM this car will easily be above the current 992 GT3 price.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Some dude on Rennlist said (I am lurking) some dealership sold an allocation for the GT4 RS at 100k ADM. That is excessive but I think the average will be AT least 50k+. I asked before and was given an number but I choose not to.

Price wise, with ADM this car will easily be above the current 992 GT3 price.

I remember back in '15 dealers were asking $30k adm on a $55k GT350. So, $50k on a $130k RS doesn't seem all that out of line especially considering the value aspect. I agree though, +100k is excessive regardless of value. I mean, $230k for a Cayman is nuts....but so is $180k

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I don't think they did, it is definitely a tuned, slightly retooled engine from the GT4.



I could be wrong but I don't see it from a financial perspective either. Regardless of how much pull AP and the Porsche GT division has, if the GT4 RS ends up being a limited run (which we don't know because Porsche doesn't like to say anything~) then doing all of that R&D just for this car is weird. As the current GT4 engine is set to be put in other cars that can use it while it took a lot of tickering on Porsche's part to make the GT3 engine legal because of the typical government mumbo jumbo. Then again, it could be Porsche doing... well Porsche stuff because they can while BMW is probably finally realizing their "new" look direction isn't good.

Also, fun thing I see Rennlist people OCDing the video. The car can now hit... 105 in 2nd gear lol. Boy, if you have people bitching about tall gearing before, this is taller!

Porsche has done this before, with their 997 gt3rs 4.0.
AP said the company made no money on it. It was basically all of the parts left over from the cup cars of that generation. A true parts bin special. The info is in the more recent TOTAL 911 RS buyers guide. My guesstimate is that they had to unload their inventory. now of course it's one of the most desirable 911's of all time lol.
Porsche's margins were small on the GT4 too. I guess the companies bread and butter are VW products?

[WagonR]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Like seriously? Is it just me? Like this is very not good looking ... Not truly heinous, but not good ... better than a butterface, but why is that the bar to cross?

Not to offend our G8X overlords, but...is that the least bad new BMW design I've seen in years? I get that it's lost everything that basically made the 1 series attractive as a driver's car, but otherwise, the least messed up styling? I'm not saying good, just, somehow they didn't beat it as much with the ugly stick*.

*and by ugly stick I mean super progressive brand forward designs that on the surface just have a bunch of random lines that seem to yell at me, but i don't get it because I'm a boomer**, and don't understand progress.

**technically a millennial, but you know, I get my E90 M3 and F87 M2 are actually less aggressive looking than a new Camry, so I am willing/happy to admit the current market passed me by.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by alex2364

I doubt this will make the front page, but C&D just did a M5 vs RS7 vs CT5-V Blackwing. Guess who won...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wing-compared/

The F90 forum is already going into conspiracy theory mode as to how the M5 could have lost to the Cadillac.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

The F90 forum is already going into conspiracy theory mode as to how the M5 could have lost to the Cadillac.

They should be thankful Cadillac didn't send a 6MT for the comparo.

[The_Werm]

Wow Cadillac. Does anyone still have hope for g87?

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

Porsche has done this before, with their 997 gt3rs 4.0.
AP said the company made no money on it. It was basically all of the parts left over from the cup cars of that generation. A true parts bin special. The info is in the more recent TOTAL 911 RS buyers guide. My guesstimate is that they had to unload their inventory. now of course it's one of the most desirable 911's of all time lol.
Porsche's margins were small on the GT4 too. I guess the companies bread and butter are VW products?

I personally wouldn't think so. Given the small margins on the current 718 GT4/Spyder, it would make even less sense to put R&D into retrofitting the old GT3 engine into the 718. That would drive up the car's price even further when it is going to be costly already.

It would be more impressive if they managed this with the current GT4 engine, the 9A2 Evo, because it would prove how flexible their current engine structure is. If they can do this and produce that type of sound from it, close to the GT3's race inspired Flat Six noise. THAT would be impressive. Since they managed to bump the RPM to 9k instead of the 8,800k of the normal GT4.

We will see soon.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by The_Werm

Wow Cadillac. Does anyone still have hope for g87?

I do somewhat. The G8X shows us the chassis isn't the issue but rather the looks and size. The G42 should fix both of those, although not exactly perfect as it will still be larger than the last 2er and heavier. That being said I would only get it in manual form and even still have to mod it as modern BMW manuals are just okay, but much better than the ZF which is not as good as the DCT.

[The_Werm]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I do somewhat. The G8X shows us the chassis isn't the issue but rather the looks and size. The G42 should fix both of those, although not exactly perfect as it will still be larger than the last 2er and heavier. That being said I would only get it in manual form and even still have to mod it as modern BMW manuals are just okay, but much better than the ZF which is not as good as the DCT.

I share the same sentiment. If it's heavier than f82 not sure it makes sense.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Like seriously? Is it just me? Like this is very not good looking ... Not truly heinous, but not good ... better than a butterface, but why is that the bar to cross?

I think BMW is outsourcing their design team to the local elementary school. Like seriously, some of these cars just look down right goofy. I don’t care how fast they make them, they literally look like derps… makes it hard to take them seriously when I see them IRL

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I think BMW is outsourcing their design team to the local elementary school. Like seriously, some of these cars just look down right goofy. I don’t care how fast they make them, they literally look like derps… makes it hard to take them seriously when I see them IRL

Took a long break from posting but man, everytime I see a current Gen BMW, I just see an Audi with kidney grilles. Pretty sure they brought over the Audi engineers and designers when they hired Flasch. It only makes sense, you don't hire leaders just for their talents, but also for the network of people they can bring along. My guess is Biermann took his homies with him when he went to Kia/Hyundai and Flasch came in to fill the openings with his VAG buddies.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Took a long break from posting but man, everytime I see a current Gen BMW, I just see an Audi with kidney grilles. Pretty sure they brought over the Audi engineers and designers when they hired Flasch. It only makes sense, you don't hire leaders just for their talents, but also for the network of people they can bring along. My guess is Biermann took his homies with him when he went to Kia/Hyundai and Flasch came in to fill the openings with his VAG buddies.

Except Audis has stuck with their corporate look and at least looks above average. BMWs now look like crap. It’s like they hired the B team from Audi.

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Except Audis has stuck with their corporate look and at least looks above average. BMWs now look like crap. It’s like they hired the B team from Audi.

100% agree, they must have picked off the cheapest hires

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Took a long break from posting but man, everytime I see a current Gen BMW, I just see an Audi with kidney grilles. Pretty sure they brought over the Audi engineers and designers when they hired Flasch. It only makes sense, you don't hire leaders just for their talents, but also for the network of people they can bring along. My guess is Biermann took his homies with him when he went to Kia/Hyundai and Flasch came in to fill the openings with his VAG buddies.

You're prbably confusing with Frank Van Meel...