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      12-02-2020, 03:49 PM   #1123
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Whatever adults want to do in the privacy of their own garage, but should this kinda shit really be out on display where kids can see it?


Or....when you go out with your buddies, and they hook up with some good looking girls, and you’re stuck with the ugly chick, and they ask you to TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM!!! Ugghh....HELL NO!!
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I'm not in the car market anytime soon (just got back into an M3 again). The C8 looks interesting, but (and I haven't done too much research into this), one sticking point might be the dealership/after sales experience. Read some horror stories here on the forum about folks and their Corvettes.

This is a little surprising to me, especially since higher end cars have better margins and its to GM's best interest to lay out the red carpet as we say. That's the 1 thing that always filtered out Corvettes for me, the dealership experience.
I'm always curious as to why people care so much about the "dealership" experience. It's very low on my list. Maybe it's because I've been leasing the last bunch of years and go In for oil changes and that's about it.

Do you guys have a lot of problems with your cars that you "hang" at the dealerships regularly?

The vehicle is all that matters to me at the end of the day. I could care less if they have a nice showroom, give me coffee or a reach around. Haha

Edit: I saw my 1st new "BMW" 4 series in my area today. What a joke that thing is. We were laughing that someone actually paid good money to purchase/lease that monstrosity
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I was looking for this thread I came across and found it.

Here was a C7 horror story that someone posted on the f30 forums.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1720783
What a nightmare! It took 9 months but he got paid in the end thankfully!
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My problem with jumping to a PCar at this point in my life is they don't have one that contends with an M3 Sedan which is what I need. Panamera nor Macan really fit the bill.
For me it'll be the fun car. The X7 boat the wife has is the people hauler.
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What a nightmare! It took 9 months but he got paid in the end thankfully!
///M4ster Yoda

I don't care about the dealership experience much either but what that guy had to go through with GM and the dealership on his Vette was unacceptable.

Read his post that I linked earlier.

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Edit: Added more links.
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...24&postcount=1
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=34
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=41
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=43
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...6&postcount=60
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...6&postcount=78
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=85
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=90
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=108

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What a nightmare! It took 9 months but he got paid in the end thankfully!
///M4ster Yoda

I don't care about the dealership experience much either but what that guy had to go through with GM and the dealership on his Vette was unacceptable.

Read his post that I linked earlier.

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https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...38;postcount=1
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8;postcount=34
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8;postcount=41
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8;postcount=43
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...;postcount=108
Wow. I didn't realize it could be that bad. Horrendous. I guess I've been spoiled all these years with BMW. At least they have good service going for them. They need it because their current lineup of cars is mostly shit.
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Cadillac needs to hurry up and unveil the new Blackwings already! Hoping they will offer what I'm looking for.

Supercharged V8/Twin-Turbo V6, Manual, Magnesium Wheels, Carbon Fiber Buckets, it keeps getting better and better with every spy shot, now if they could reveal the damn car any time soon!

Hear Cadillac's Blackwing-Powered Super Sedans Scream During Testing




Someone even got a nice exhaust clip (in which you can hear a manual shift) in the third photo from instagram.
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///M4ster Yoda

I don't care about the dealership experience much either but what that guy had to go through with GM and the dealership on his Vette was unacceptable.

Read his post that I linked earlier.

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https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...24&postcount=1
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=34
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=41
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=43
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=108
That's worse than my father's issue with Benz. "We can't find your car."
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Cadillac needs to hurry up and unveil the new Blackwings already!

Supercharged V8/Twin-Turbo V6 (currently unknown), Manual, Magnesium Wheels, Carbon Fiber Buckets, it keeps getting better and better with every spy shot, now if they could reveal the damn car any time soon!

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Looks like Cadillac is making the new ///M3.

Im going to check this thing out when the time comes. Very promising
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Looks like Cadillac is making the new ///M3.

Im going to check this thing out when the time comes. Very promising
I would stay oddly skeptical when it comes to American brands still. I don't mind checking it out even if I find myself in a GT4 sooner or later.
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If the previous CTS-V and ATS-V are anything to go by, the chassis will be excellent. The biggest issue with those cars was the interior and tech, which are getting major upgrades for this generation.
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Looks like Cadillac is making the new ///M3.

Im going to check this thing out when the time comes. Very promising
I would stay oddly skeptical when it comes to American brands still. I don't mind checking it out even if I find myself in a GT4 sooner or later.
I'm done with brand Loyalty and I could find myself in a Porsche at some point but the Blackwings might turn out to be amazing vehicles.
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Worth a look. Before getting back with BMW, I was seriously looking at the ATS-V. I would recommend getting them (Cadillacs) gently used, especially here in N. California. They take a massive hit on the used market because there isn't a lot of demand (I think) here where I live.

There was an ATS-V that popped up on the used market in my area with just 5k mi when I was looking. It had all the goodies and it was a current year car. Mind you, the car was less than 1 year old and the hit was $20-25K!. That gave me pause; I understand depreciation mechanics but this was pretty breathtaking.

The ATS-V is a seriously capable machine though. Even to this day, I think its on par with the M3s.
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Worth a look. Before getting back with BMW, I was seriously looking at the ATS-V. I would recommend getting them (Cadillacs) gently used, especially here in N. California. They take a massive hit on the used market because there isn't a lot of demand (I think) here where I live.

There was an ATS-V that popped up on the used market in my area with just 5k mi when I was looking. It had all the goodies and it was a current year car. Mind you, the car was less than 1 year old and the hit was $20-25K!. That gave me pause; I understand depreciation mechanics but this was pretty breathtaking.

The ATS-V is a seriously capable machine though. Even to this day, I think its on par with the M3s.
The thing the M3 has going for it is it's the most winning DTM car of all time. Even though that was like 30+ years ago, it's laid the groundwork for BMW Motorsports. The name itself is highly recognizable in the car world. It needs no introduction. It created its own league, it's THE benchmark. I could go on and on, but you guys get it. Not the same could be said of any other model from it's competitors. Let's see if they manage to ruin all that within 1 generation or will they be able to recover?
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She went to open the drivers door and the handle fell off. Keep the Cadillac, I’d rather not. GM quality continues regardless of model, trim or specialty. Hardest of passes.
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Cadillac needs to hurry up and unveil the new Blackwings already! Hoping they will offer what I'm looking for.

Supercharged V8/Twin-Turbo V6, Manual, Magnesium Wheels, Carbon Fiber Buckets, it keeps getting better and better with every spy shot, now if they could reveal the damn car any time soon!

Hear Cadillac's Blackwing-Powered Super Sedans Scream During Testing
[IMG]https://i2.wp.com/www.autoblog.gr/wp...1262&ssl=1[/IMG]
[IMG]https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/Qa...94d98eea993ccf[/IMG]
[IMG]https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/ima...y-wheels_1.jpg[/IMG]

Someone even got a nice exhaust clip (in which you can hear a manual shift) in the third photo from instagram.
Yes Sir....another vehicle that's on my radar as well Josh! Almost jumped into a CTS V a few years ago, but the ///M and that manual transmission were just calling my name. Have always loved BMW and ///M vehicles, but the next generation leaves me with no choice but to look in other directions.
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The thing the M3 has going for it is it's the most winning DTM car of all time. Even though that was like 30+ years ago, it's laid the groundwork for BMW Motorsports. The name itself is highly recognizable in the car world. It needs no introduction. It created its own league, it's THE benchmark. I could go on and on, but you guys get it. Not the same could be said of any other model from it's competitors. Let's see if they manage to ruin all that within 1 generation or will they be able to recover?
Don't disagree, that's why I'm keeping this one for the foreseeable future and looking at a P-car 911 for the next possible fun car. It'll be a while though. I really wish that Acura or Lexus would just really get in the arena and compete. Imagine something with NSX watered down tech in a 4 door.
Every time they launch something e.g. the new ILX, I shake my head and wonder 'why bother'?

I think GM upper management have the right vision, but their execution and dealerships will continue to drag on the brand. It's the same with Fords; yeah that GT350/500 is awesome, but the after sales support is a hard pass.
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The thing the M3 has going for it is it's the most winning DTM car of all time. Even though that was like 30+ years ago, it's laid the groundwork for BMW Motorsports. The name itself is highly recognizable in the car world. It needs no introduction. It created its own league, it's THE benchmark. I could go on and on, but you guys get it. Not the same could be said of any other model from it's competitors. Let's see if they manage to ruin all that within 1 generation or will they be able to recover?
Don't disagree, that's why I'm keeping this one for the foreseeable future and looking at a P-car 911 for the next possible fun car. It'll be a while though. I really wish that Acura or Lexus would just really get in the arena and compete. Imagine something with NSX watered down tech in a 4 door.
Every time they launch something e.g. the new ILX, I shake my head and wonder 'why bother'?

I think GM upper management have the right vision, but their execution and dealerships will continue to drag on the brand. It's the same with Fords; yeah that GT350/500 is awesome, but the after sales support is a hard pass.
And Ford is discontinuing the GT350 for 2021.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...or-2021/?_gl=1*1tdi8bm*_ga*YW1wLTNLaTNUeV9sYmFFN05QMWpjT2JOTXF5e DA5dTIyUTNLS19NdkppZjFoNmI5dkVUdGpTT2JxWTVqZ1NDSUZ xSUQ.
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I doubt this can be functionally possible. Not enough openings for cooling flow around the front bumper structure. Good for a concept only...
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I've driven the Taycan Turbo, I was both impressed and unimpressed. Handling is great, but is lacking feedback in the steering and brakes for a Porsche. Also the gearbox can be clunky at higher speeds. Interior is nice, but not excellent, and the infotainment could be better, the gauge cluster is beautiful though, but I would prefer more hard controls. The sound is okay, but at times doesn't match up. Also have to get use to focusing purely on throttle management due to no gear shifts or revs. Range is fine, but charging network lags behind Tesla, and Electrify America has poor reliability and service, not to mention the back roads I drive to have no chargers in sight. My biggest issue was the price, for the car I drove I could get a nice Model 3 and 718 GTS 4.0 and the interior is a bit cramped. I definitely want to try out a 4S when the sport turismo comes out.
I'll skip this generation electric since I find it is too much in its infancy. Not enough range and insufficient charging speed/infrastructure on the street and at race tracks for it to work for me as a dual use car. But it is quite possible that my next purchase in ~4 years will be electric, they are progressing fast.
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I've driven the Taycan Turbo, I was both impressed and unimpressed. Handling is great, but is lacking feedback in the steering and brakes for a Porsche. Also the gearbox can be clunky at higher speeds. Interior is nice, but not excellent, and the infotainment could be better, the gauge cluster is beautiful though, but I would prefer more hard controls. The sound is okay, but at times doesn't match up. Also have to get use to focusing purely on throttle management due to no gear shifts or revs. Range is fine, but charging network lags behind Tesla, and Electrify America has poor reliability and service, not to mention the back roads I drive to have no chargers in sight. My biggest issue was the price, for the car I drove I could get a nice Model 3 and 718 GTS 4.0 and the interior is a bit cramped. I definitely want to try out a 4S when the sport turismo comes out.
I'll skip this generation electric since I find it is too much in its infancy. Not enough range and insufficient charging speed/infrastructure on the street and at race tracks for it to work for me as a dual use car. But it is quite possible that my next purchase in ~4 years will be electric, they are progressing fast.
Agree, I have much bigger hopes for the second-gen products. Hopefully the new Macan EV will be great.
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