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      12-02-2020, 07:32 PM   #1145
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Looks like Cadillac is making the new ///M3.

Im going to check this thing out when the time comes. Very promising
I would stay oddly skeptical when it comes to American brands still. I don't mind checking it out even if I find myself in a GT4 sooner or later.
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If the previous CTS-V and ATS-V are anything to go by, the chassis will be excellent. The biggest issue with those cars was the interior and tech, which are getting major upgrades for this generation.
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Looks like Cadillac is making the new ///M3.

Im going to check this thing out when the time comes. Very promising
I would stay oddly skeptical when it comes to American brands still. I don't mind checking it out even if I find myself in a GT4 sooner or later.
I'm done with brand Loyalty and I could find myself in a Porsche at some point but the Blackwings might turn out to be amazing vehicles.
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Worth a look. Before getting back with BMW, I was seriously looking at the ATS-V. I would recommend getting them (Cadillacs) gently used, especially here in N. California. They take a massive hit on the used market because there isn't a lot of demand (I think) here where I live.

There was an ATS-V that popped up on the used market in my area with just 5k mi when I was looking. It had all the goodies and it was a current year car. Mind you, the car was less than 1 year old and the hit was $20-25K!. That gave me pause; I understand depreciation mechanics but this was pretty breathtaking.

The ATS-V is a seriously capable machine though. Even to this day, I think its on par with the M3s.
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Worth a look. Before getting back with BMW, I was seriously looking at the ATS-V. I would recommend getting them (Cadillacs) gently used, especially here in N. California. They take a massive hit on the used market because there isn't a lot of demand (I think) here where I live.

There was an ATS-V that popped up on the used market in my area with just 5k mi when I was looking. It had all the goodies and it was a current year car. Mind you, the car was less than 1 year old and the hit was $20-25K!. That gave me pause; I understand depreciation mechanics but this was pretty breathtaking.

The ATS-V is a seriously capable machine though. Even to this day, I think its on par with the M3s.
The thing the M3 has going for it is it's the most winning DTM car of all time. Even though that was like 30+ years ago, it's laid the groundwork for BMW Motorsports. The name itself is highly recognizable in the car world. It needs no introduction. It created its own league, it's THE benchmark. I could go on and on, but you guys get it. Not the same could be said of any other model from it's competitors. Let's see if they manage to ruin all that within 1 generation or will they be able to recover?
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Co worker got rear ended in her f30, she had it for all of three weeks. For a rental, she got a cts with 32 miles on it. She was so excited about the rental, and proud to show me (as the resident “car guy”)

She went to open the drivers door and the handle fell off. Keep the Cadillac, I’d rather not. GM quality continues regardless of model, trim or specialty. Hardest of passes.
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Cadillac needs to hurry up and unveil the new Blackwings already! Hoping they will offer what I'm looking for.

Supercharged V8/Twin-Turbo V6, Manual, Magnesium Wheels, Carbon Fiber Buckets, it keeps getting better and better with every spy shot, now if they could reveal the damn car any time soon!

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Someone even got a nice exhaust clip (in which you can hear a manual shift) in the third photo from instagram.
Yes Sir....another vehicle that's on my radar as well Josh! Almost jumped into a CTS V a few years ago, but the ///M and that manual transmission were just calling my name. Have always loved BMW and ///M vehicles, but the next generation leaves me with no choice but to look in other directions.
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The thing the M3 has going for it is it's the most winning DTM car of all time. Even though that was like 30+ years ago, it's laid the groundwork for BMW Motorsports. The name itself is highly recognizable in the car world. It needs no introduction. It created its own league, it's THE benchmark. I could go on and on, but you guys get it. Not the same could be said of any other model from it's competitors. Let's see if they manage to ruin all that within 1 generation or will they be able to recover?
Don't disagree, that's why I'm keeping this one for the foreseeable future and looking at a P-car 911 for the next possible fun car. It'll be a while though. I really wish that Acura or Lexus would just really get in the arena and compete. Imagine something with NSX watered down tech in a 4 door.
Every time they launch something e.g. the new ILX, I shake my head and wonder 'why bother'?

I think GM upper management have the right vision, but their execution and dealerships will continue to drag on the brand. It's the same with Fords; yeah that GT350/500 is awesome, but the after sales support is a hard pass.
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The thing the M3 has going for it is it's the most winning DTM car of all time. Even though that was like 30+ years ago, it's laid the groundwork for BMW Motorsports. The name itself is highly recognizable in the car world. It needs no introduction. It created its own league, it's THE benchmark. I could go on and on, but you guys get it. Not the same could be said of any other model from it's competitors. Let's see if they manage to ruin all that within 1 generation or will they be able to recover?
Don't disagree, that's why I'm keeping this one for the foreseeable future and looking at a P-car 911 for the next possible fun car. It'll be a while though. I really wish that Acura or Lexus would just really get in the arena and compete. Imagine something with NSX watered down tech in a 4 door.
Every time they launch something e.g. the new ILX, I shake my head and wonder 'why bother'?

I think GM upper management have the right vision, but their execution and dealerships will continue to drag on the brand. It's the same with Fords; yeah that GT350/500 is awesome, but the after sales support is a hard pass.
And Ford is discontinuing the GT350 for 2021.

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I've driven the Taycan Turbo, I was both impressed and unimpressed. Handling is great, but is lacking feedback in the steering and brakes for a Porsche. Also the gearbox can be clunky at higher speeds. Interior is nice, but not excellent, and the infotainment could be better, the gauge cluster is beautiful though, but I would prefer more hard controls. The sound is okay, but at times doesn't match up. Also have to get use to focusing purely on throttle management due to no gear shifts or revs. Range is fine, but charging network lags behind Tesla, and Electrify America has poor reliability and service, not to mention the back roads I drive to have no chargers in sight. My biggest issue was the price, for the car I drove I could get a nice Model 3 and 718 GTS 4.0 and the interior is a bit cramped. I definitely want to try out a 4S when the sport turismo comes out.
I'll skip this generation electric since I find it is too much in its infancy. Not enough range and insufficient charging speed/infrastructure on the street and at race tracks for it to work for me as a dual use car. But it is quite possible that my next purchase in ~4 years will be electric, they are progressing fast.
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I've driven the Taycan Turbo, I was both impressed and unimpressed. Handling is great, but is lacking feedback in the steering and brakes for a Porsche. Also the gearbox can be clunky at higher speeds. Interior is nice, but not excellent, and the infotainment could be better, the gauge cluster is beautiful though, but I would prefer more hard controls. The sound is okay, but at times doesn't match up. Also have to get use to focusing purely on throttle management due to no gear shifts or revs. Range is fine, but charging network lags behind Tesla, and Electrify America has poor reliability and service, not to mention the back roads I drive to have no chargers in sight. My biggest issue was the price, for the car I drove I could get a nice Model 3 and 718 GTS 4.0 and the interior is a bit cramped. I definitely want to try out a 4S when the sport turismo comes out.
I'll skip this generation electric since I find it is too much in its infancy. Not enough range and insufficient charging speed/infrastructure on the street and at race tracks for it to work for me as a dual use car. But it is quite possible that my next purchase in ~4 years will be electric, they are progressing fast.
Agree, I have much bigger hopes for the second-gen products. Hopefully the new Macan EV will be great.
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Yup, they all have them including Porsche (Nick Murray anyone).

Part of it is the frequency and how the manufacturer takes care of the customer. The US manufacturers lag the premium German brands in every metric here unfortunately. Which, wouldn't necessarily be a problem except for GM, Ford (sort of Dodge) have prices that are as much if not more than the Germans now. They definitely have the performance to match, but they need to up their game in a bunch of ways to take better care of these buyers IMO.

Reliability, looks and performance are not the F80 variants problem, for the most part to me. You'd be bored with it immediately and being looking elsewhere pretty quick.
While I love my M4cs, I have to say it has been my most unreliable BMW thus far. While all my previous ///M have been practilay bullet proof as combined daily drivers and track cars, not so much for my M4cs that suffered multiple issues that cost me several track days in less than 2-years of ownership:

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The thing the M3 has going for it is it's the most winning DTM car of all time. Even though that was like 30+ years ago, it's laid the groundwork for BMW Motorsports. The name itself is highly recognizable in the car world. It needs no introduction. It created its own league, it WAS THE benchmark. I could go on and on, but you guys get it. Not the same could be said of any other model from it's competitors. Let's see if they manage to ruin all that within 1 generation or will they be able to recover?
Fixed that for you.

I find MB surpassed BMW in motor racing. They are completely dominating F1, the top of motorsport and are involved in many other series. They focus on performance, making strong statements such as setting many 'ring lap records.
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And Ford is discontinuing the GT350 for 2021.

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But introducing this. I’d happily run one on road & track –



The Americans are improving with every generation and addressing enthusiasts like never before. Numerous track ready stock options under full warranty, track prep guides, reasonably priced. 15 years ago I wouldn’t have imagined it.

New Blackwings get mag wheels, proper seats, V8, and manual?? ATS/CTS styling critiques from M snobs are a good laugh now.

M is running from a fight. Current bosses figured they’d take decades of legit reputation and clout and play that to the image crowd. I hope they fail miserably.
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I'll skip this generation electric since I find it is too much in its infancy. Not enough range and insufficient charging speed/infrastructure on the street and at race tracks for it to work for me as a dual use car. But it is quite possible that my next purchase in ~4 years will be electric, they are progressing fast.
Last time out father & son showed up with a .1 RS and a Taycan. RS ran all day, Taycan not one session.

End of day they were plotting a substantial reroute for a charge on the way home because the Taycan wasn't going to make it.

Not there yet, maybe next gen.
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End of day they were plotting a substantial reroute for a charge on the way home because the Taycan wasn't going to make it.

Not there yet, maybe next gen.
This was my biggest worry for the Taycan. Not the charge on a road trip, as chargers can be found off the highways, but how badly range gets affected when driving the car how its meant to be driven, hard. I remember the original Matt Farah review where he took it through the mountains and lost a lot of range by pushing it. Many of the backroads I travel to are not close to chargers and some even go through the mountains and wooded areas towards and in Pennsylvania and are about an hour to two or more out from my house with decent miles. I would be worried to drive a Taycan how I drive my other vehicles through those roads purely just because its hard to predict range and charging availability.
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While I love my M4cs, I have to say it has been my most unreliable BMW thus far. While all my previous ///M have been practilay bullet proof as combined daily drivers and track cars, not so much for my M4cs that suffered multiple issues that cost me several track days in less than 2-years of ownership:

Failed front EDC sensor
Charge pipe popped out
A/C compressor failed
Stuck exhaust valve
Leaking intercooler

The last issue had me without my car for 6 weeks in the middle of the track season due to parts being BO and shipping issues due to COVID. Delaer was great and gave me a nice X3 loaner, but I still lost a lot of track days.
Strangely same here. My brake fade/failure at the end of the straight really caught me off guard (never happened in any other BMW to me much less an ///M). Then my MPHAS/BMWNA fiasco and couple of other little things. All told probably laid up for a month.

My dealer was awesome also, they really helped me get a nice settlement from BMWNA. But, had they just taken back the CS for me to get into a M2C they'd probably still have me as a customer. I bought/leased 10 cars from BMW, half of them Ms over a 5-6 year period and they wouldn't even entertain it. So, I took my business elsewhere.

Spoiler alert, you are going to love your 911, but I'm guessing you already know this.

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This was my biggest worry for the Taycan. Not the charge on a road trip, as chargers can be found off the highways, but how badly range gets affected when driving the car how its meant to be driven, hard. I remember the original Matt Farah review where he took it through the mountains and lost a lot of range by pushing it. Many of the backroads I travel to are not close to chargers and some even go through the mountains and wooded areas towards and in Pennsylvania and are about an hour to two or more out from my house with decent miles. I would be worried to drive a Taycan how I drive my other vehicles through those roads purely just because its hard to predict range and charging availability.
And the Porsche charging infrastructure isn't like Tesla's. I think the closest available Porsche charge was like 50 miles away. There are multiple Tesla stations in the vicinity even though it's out in the boonies.
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But introducing this. I’d happily run one on road & track –

The Americans are improving with every generation and addressing enthusiasts like never before. Numerous track ready stock options under full warranty, track prep guides, reasonably priced. 15 years ago I wouldn’t have imagined it.

New Blackwings get mag wheels, proper seats, V8, and manual?? ATS/CTS styling critiques from M snobs are a good laugh now.

M is running from a fight. Current bosses figured they’d take decades of legit reputation and clout and play that to the image crowd. I hope they fail miserably.
Totally agree on this. I used to laugh at the American marques. Since the E46 M3, I’ve always felt that BMW has been half relying on its pedigree and history to sell cars. I initially thought that it was because they were pivoting their strategy (they were in F1 with the E92), half expecting that they were going to really up the bar and continue to distance themselves from the average car manufacturer. That has not been the case sadly, instead they are slapping M badges like stickers on every lineup they have.

MB is pretty impressive. They are taking the fight to Porsche. Not quite there yet, but they are closing in.
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Totally agree on this. I used to laugh at the American marques. Since the E46 M3, I’ve always felt that BMW has been half relying on its pedigree and history to sell cars. I initially thought that it was because they were pivoting their strategy (they were in F1 with the E92), half expecting that they were going to really up the bar and continue to distance themselves from the average car manufacturer. That has not been the case sadly, instead they are slapping M badges like stickers on every lineup they have.

MB is pretty impressive. They are taking the fight to Porsche. Not quite there yet, but they are closing in.
Yeah, MB sure are. M isn't competing in the Mustang/Camaro/Corvette space, they're not competing in the RS/GT R/supercar space, they're glaringly absent from everywhere performance innovation and progress is occurring

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