BMW F80 M3 and F82 M4 Powered by More Than 425 HP

swamp2 · 09-23-2013, 10:48 PM

Some sort of voluntary embargo going on releasing the information before tomorrow? I'd hate to side step my favorite forum but if the german forums will have the information in about 4 hours I might just stay up and hunt.

Jason · 09-23-2013, 10:51 PM

Embargo does not end until tomorrow afternoon.

sparkyg · 09-23-2013, 10:52 PM

Well, I will say I am keenly interested in the coming news.

Maybe I won't have to buck up for a GT3.

The M4 would certainly be a better DD car than the Porsche.

fuzzybam · 09-23-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FogCityM3

429hp * 7.8 lbs/hp = 3,346 lbs?

This is perfect. I'm in for these specs.

OverDrive · 09-23-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

I think I can tell the difference between HP and PS

I never said you didn't, I was just generalizing. Being the admin of one of the largest BMW forums, I'm sure you know your stuff

pkimM3r · 09-23-2013, 11:08 PM

as much as ppl hound on how much e9x owners love their car, there are just as many OR MORE haters! haters gone hate! hHAHA

i love the new m3/4 though it looks like its going to get the job done. just like the new m5/6. i can still love my e90 m3 too right?

Jason · 09-23-2013, 11:57 PM

To my knowledge, this schedule still holds:

Production M3 and M4 will be introduced together at Detroit Auto Show 2014
Ordering for M3/M4 begins in January-February 2014
Production of M3/M4 begins sometime in March-May window
Regularly delivery and European Delivery begins late Spring - Summer 2014

Boss330 · 09-24-2013, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

BTW, EVERYONE WILL BE IMPRESSED WITH THE WEIGHT!.... VERY!

So impressed I hope that all the "experts" claiming that it won't be under 3400-3500lbs will be proven wrong...

Despite BMW M having hinted at substantial weight losses, many have just dismissed that...

Boss330 · 09-24-2013, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by swamp2

Although I agree with your sentiment there still is something great about a car that does 0-60 and 60-130 and the 1/4 mi just as well as it handles a competitive or non competitive road course.

The inconsistency in your statement is that if you truly want to leave a "competitor" in a competitive car behind in the twisties, and the cars truly are near competitors, then we all know it is then only about which driver is willing to break the law in a bigger way...

Just like with the current E92 M3 vs. C63 AMG wether you are comparing them on the track or drag strip it is generally a drivers race. Perhaps 60-130 is an exception to this.

As I have said previously:

Low weight and a bit more power gives you both better acceleration and "for free" better handling and braking! I'd rather have "just" 15 more hp but a weight of 3200lbs than 460hp and 3700lbs!

Many here seem to want a muscle car and doesn't care about weight (or just assumes it will weigh around what the E9x does).

swamp2 · 09-24-2013, 01:53 AM

With ~430 claimed hp and ~450 actual should mean around 390 ft lb torque actual. With a weight of ~3550 lb (i.e. ~3400 lb no driver, which still seems a bit optimistic), this car will be absolutely neck and neck with the Porsche Carrera S (current 991 model) in a straght line, 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc. This claim of course assumes M-DCT... Perhaps a bit slower around the track though but close. Certainly a drivers race.

This is absolutely a consistent "target" as some may recall that BMW, right around the time some significant information became available for the E92 M3, made a direct comparison to the base 911.

I will post a more detailed simulation tomorrow once we have the weight. Unfortunately, some speculation concerning underrating will continue to cast some doubts about the actual hp. The weight numbers could continue to be not 100% transparent as well... I guess I actually expect that.

pkimM3r · 09-24-2013, 02:11 AM

I think 99% of the people here would be more happy in an A-Muscular-German c63. ///M stands for motorsport, not muscle.

Boss330 · 09-24-2013, 02:58 AM

I'm super excited about the news we will get later today!!!! Can't wait.

Hope this will be a back to the roots car with the straight six (albeit turbo), low weight and agile handling. Hoping for a new quantum leap by BMW in this segment!

sward · 09-24-2013, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Embargo does not end until tomorrow afternoon.

In what time zone? Central European or an American time zone?

jstnstr · 09-24-2013, 05:21 AM

Guys I think we're forgetting what's really important here. MPG!

mkoesel · 09-24-2013, 05:22 AM

I'm not aware of precisely what other sites are saying, but keep in mind:

- Regarding use of the word "revealed", it is not uncommon at all for BMW to publicize official specs and pictures well before the car makes its first real world appearance. I'm not saying that this means we'll see those things as early as this week, but expect to see them appreciably earlier than the debut in January at NAIAS.

- There is not necessarily any correlation between having details about the car and it starting production. So expect the car to go into production in accordance with previously stated timelines regardless of when we are given officials specs and details from BMW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos_Danger

We understand and respect that, and we will stay loyal on Bimmerpost even if some other forums have "info" BUT can you please comment on the car being revealed/shown this week? Ive seen that pop up in a number of BMW sites, if it IS released/shown to the public so early, that means approximately Christmas production? It will be a hell of a gift from Santa (me) to me

Wolf · 09-24-2013, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

To my knowledge, this schedule still holds:

Production M3 and M4 will be introduced together at Detroit Auto Show 2014
Ordering for M3/M4 begins in January-February 2014
Production of M3/M4 begins sometime in March-May window
Regularly delivery and European Delivery begins late Spring - Summer 2014

Jason you ***!!! tell us already!!

RMB · 09-24-2013, 07:02 AM

This is perfect. Just sold the M3 a few weeks ago (without taking any hit), new specs and info on new M4 just coming out and not long till next summer and I (along with others) will have our new M4. Life is good and no complaints. Jason, thanks for the hook up with info.

Bubbles · 09-24-2013, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The BMW M3 Coupe is Dead. Get ready for the new BMW M4.

Scott26

Having driven the E92 M3 on a number of tracks (in the US and Europe), that car will never be dead to me

Appreciate the info you provide here.

Lorde · 09-24-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jstnstr

Guys I think we're forgetting what's really important here. MPG!

This! I want a 30mpg highway M3.

nick3753 · 09-24-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

I think 99% of the people here would be more happy in an A-Muscular-German c63. ///M stands for motorsport, not muscle.

Keep telling yourself that. //M stands for marketing. Lets hope this car re-establishes the name.

rave426 · 09-24-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Embargo does not end until tomorrow afternoon.

Good gawd. Let it out Jason!!!

rave426 · 09-24-2013, 08:57 AM

I'm loving the power/weight so far. We're probably looking at 997 GT3 type of acceleration here.

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pkimM3r Banned 205 Rep 7,298 Posts Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lost angeles iTrader: (0)	as much as ppl hound on how much e9x owners love their car, there are just as many OR MORE haters! haters gone hate! hHAHA i love the new m3/4 though it looks like its going to get the job done. just like the new m5/6. i can still love my e90 m3 too right?
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Jason Administrator 40628 Rep 21,237 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	To my knowledge, this schedule still holds: Production M3 and M4 will be introduced together at Detroit Auto Show 2014 Ordering for M3/M4 begins in January-February 2014 Production of M3/M4 begins sometime in March-May window Regularly delivery and European Delivery begins late Spring - Summer 2014 __________________ Check on the Latest BMW News Become a fan of Bimmerpost Facebook Follow us on Bimmerpost Twitter Subscribe to Bimmerpost Youtube Channel
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swamp2 Lieutenant General 609 Rep 10,407 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA iTrader: (3)	With ~430 claimed hp and ~450 actual should mean around 390 ft lb torque actual. With a weight of ~3550 lb (i.e. ~3400 lb no driver, which still seems a bit optimistic), this car will be absolutely neck and neck with the Porsche Carrera S (current 991 model) in a straght line, 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc. This claim of course assumes M-DCT... Perhaps a bit slower around the track though but close. Certainly a drivers race. This is absolutely a consistent "target" as some may recall that BMW, right around the time some significant information became available for the E92 M3, made a direct comparison to the base 911. I will post a more detailed simulation tomorrow once we have the weight. Unfortunately, some speculation concerning underrating will continue to cast some doubts about the actual hp. The weight numbers could continue to be not 100% transparent as well... I guess I actually expect that. __________________ E92 M3 \| Space Gray on Fox Red \| M-DCT \| CF Roof \| RAC RG63 Wheels \| Brembo 380mm BBK \| \| Vorsteiner Ti Exhaust \| Matte Black Grilles/Side Gills/Rear Emblem/Mirrors \| \| Alekshop Back up Camera \| GP Thunders \| BMW Aluminum Pedals \| Elite Angels \| \| XPEL Full Front Wrap \| Hardwired V1 \| Interior Xenon Light Kit \|
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