Stock Brakes from Blue to Green?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

No point in arguing with people who can only justify iron brakes being better cuz they're more cost effective lol

Wanna be cost effective buy a prius and dont track your car... I dont get the logic behind cheap people... ALWAYS need to give a reason for why their cheaper "object" is superior because it is cheaper lol

No point in arguing with CCB fanboys, logic is beyond their reach .

Do you even regularly track your car ?

My track seasons cost me between $10~15k every year in tires, brakes, fuel, lodging and track fees. So yes, consider me cheap if I don't want to increase that yearly cost by ~50% by going with CCB.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by TrakBch

one group I run with some of their guys do 70 a year.

wow. that's pretty solid for someone who doesn't do it for a living

I love that color matching is the key decision criteria being discussed on this thread, and rotor replacement cost is dismissed as a consideration

#showandshine

[AM4ZING]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

No point in arguing with CCB fanboys, logic is beyond their reach .

Do you even regularly track your car ?

My track seasons cost me between $10~15k every year in tires, brakes, fuel, lodging and track fees. So yes, consider me cheap if I don't want to increase that yearly cost by ~50% by going with CCB.

That doesn't make iron the superior brakes in this discussion.

Also, i feel where you're coming from, but you're not the only one in this world who tracks lol

Under Racing Conditions:
CCB's will outlast regular brakes based of mileage, will not overheat under extreme temps, will not discolor, brake pedal WILL NOT fade no matter how much abuse, brake pedal bite is immense and is full of stopping power when over 600 degrees (track temps), brakes provide none to limited brake dust... list continues

Oh wait but they're expensive

#gottapaytoplaywiththebigboys

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

Also, i feel where you're coming from, but you're not the only one in this world who tracks lol

You have not answered the question

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

Under Racing Conditions:
CCB's will outlast regular brakes based of mileage,

This remains to be proven. So far, FTS has needed to replace his pads earlier than I need to with my irons.

Further, both brake systems last way longer than a session, so it is a non-issue.

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

will not overheat under extreme temps,

Define extreme. While the CCB have a higher threshold than the irons, every system has its limits.

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

will not discolor,

I guess you imply the calipers, so can you prove that they wont discolour?

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

brake pedal WILL NOT fade no matter how much abuse,

Every system will reach its limits at some point

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

brake pedal bite is immense and is full of stopping power when over 600 degrees (track temps),

So do the irons with proper track pads

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

brakes provide none to limited brake dust...

This, I could not care less about

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

Oh wait but they're expensive

This, I do care about.

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

#gottapaytoplaywiththebigboys

Anytime. If you come to a track in my area, I am up to the challenge

[chili cheese]

Originally Posted by TrakBch

Depends on who you ask. I've done almost 30 this year and one group I run with some of their guys do 70 a year. I don't know how they can do it, I was all ready to be proud of myself for committing more than half my weekends to motorsports but clearly I'm just a dabbler.

That's my point. The use of the "hardcore" track guy term is always interesting because it means different things to different people. To me, if you have a race car you are hardcore. I would say 30 days a year is quite a bit and it leans toward hardcore.

[chili cheese]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I am at only 15 days this season. For different reasons, I did quite less than what I usually do (16~20). I did not get my fix this season and I am starting to get jitters. I wake up in the middle of the night in sweat, thinking I have a track day coming soon only to realize it won't be before next spring . I am on the group buy wait list for those 18x11 Apex wheels, I have ordered the GC camber plates for next season and play GT6 on my ol' PS3 all to try to appease my nerves . Man, it's tough being an addict .

Dude...those 18x11 Apex wheels.....yes.

[chili cheese]

Originally Posted by MaynardZed

If money was no object we'd all do more track days no matter what brakes we are using. Just saying.

If money was no object, I'd have my own Formula 1 Team, with guess who.....me as the driver.

[AM4ZING]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You have not answered the question


This remains to be proven. So far, FTS has needed to replace his pads earlier than I need to with my irons.

Further, both brake systems last way longer than a session, so it is a non-issue.


Define extreme. While the CCB have a higher threshold than the irons, every system has its limits.


I guess you imply the calipers, so can you prove that they wont discolour?


Every system will reach its limits at some point



So do the irons with proper track pads


This, I could not care less about


This, I do care about.


Anytime. If you come to a track in my area, I am up to the challenge

lol ignorance at its finest, i love it.
Now please complain why the track inspired M4 GTS has CCB's.. go on i wanna hear this one
Then tell us why BMW is wrong for offering CCB's and why they should offer blue brakes for drivers with your skill level (haha)

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

lol ignorance at its finest, i love it.
Now please complain why the track inspired M4 GTS has CCB's.. go on i wanna hear this one
Then tell us why BMW is wrong for offering CCB's and why they should offer blue brakes for drivers with your skill level (haha)

You are just unable to have a rational discussion.

I'm done

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

why they should offer blue brakes for drivers with your skill level (haha)

There is an lap times thread in this sub forum, and I don't see you on there.

It isn't credible to take a jab at someone's skill level without posting up some times of your own

[AM4ZING]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

There is an lap times thread in this sub forum, and I don't see you on there.

It isn't credible to take a jab at someone's skill level without posting up some times of your own

This is about our friend proving that irons are better than CCB in all aspects (not only cuz it is cheaper for him to use irons)...

Cheaper doesn't justify better
CCB's will remain the superior track day performer

[chili cheese]

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

This is about our friend proving that irons are better than CCB in all aspects (not only cuz it is cheaper for him to use irons)...

Cheaper doesn't justify better
CCB's will remain the superior track day performer

uggg CCBs vs Irons......geez guys give it up.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

This is about our friend proving that irons are better than CCB in all aspects (not only cuz it is cheaper for him to use irons)...

Cheaper doesn't justify better
CCB's will remain the superior track day performer

Actually, CanAutM3 is not arguing iron are better then CCB. He is sharing a thought process around assessing the cost-benefit of CCB for his use case.

disclosure 1.. I went through a similar thought process and passed on CCB as well since I felt that iron + aftermarket pads were good enough (and have been further biased by older brother, who made a similar assessment when ordering his 987.1 CS and again when ordering his GT4)

disclosure 2.. I personally think low 1:52s at Tremblant in stock m4 suggests the driver has as point of view worth listening to

[chili cheese]

OK, so the answer to the question "what to do about the green brakes?" is to order the exterior color in Urban Green. After a few days on track it matches perfect. We can close the thread now.

[MasterP]

GT4 had CCB because marketing and profit. Don't kid yourself. You can't ask $160k plus for a car and show up in cheap shoes. If its target is the 991 GT3 then you best have the right hardware.

There's a reason heavily tracked GT3's have steel retrofits.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by TrakBch

There's a reason heavily tracked GT3's have steel retrofits.

Owners aren't baller enough to "pay 2 play" (J/K)

Is that still true even with the latest gen CCB?

[MasterP]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Owners aren't baller enough to "pay 2 play" (J/K)

Is that still true even with the latest gen CCB?

Even wealthy people aren't dumb enough to throw their money away.

There's other factors beyond money.

Service intervals, replacement availability, parts failure (you ever see a Carbon rotor fail? Pretty dramatic)

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by TrakBch

Even wealthy people aren't dumb enough to throw their money away.

Agreed. I track with some folks that own multi-million $ private jets, yet they still retrofit their GT3s with iron rotors. I guess you get rich by being smart with your money, not the other way around

[bk_g80_m3]

At least with the color changing brake calipers you'll know if it was really "driven mostly highway miles" when a car is up for sale on the used market.

BMW will also know when you keep asking for free brake pads. Maybe that was their plan.

[chili cheese]

Originally Posted by fjork_duf

At least with the color changing brake calipers you'll know if it was really "driven mostly highway miles" when a car is up for sale on the used market.

BMW will also know when you keep asking for free brake pads. Maybe that was their plan.

Whether or not it was part of their plan, it presents a potential problem for those that lease, upon lease return.

[Reid]

Originally Posted by AM4ZING

CCB's will outlast regular brakes based of mileage, will not overheat under extreme temps

CCB's still appear to boil the stock fluid. I noticed my pedal travel was getting longer and longer after only a few hot laps at Spa. I forgot to use Harry's lap timer, but I was hitting 150 mph at the end of the Kemmel straight and 120 mph through Blanchimont.

Also the brake feel improved noticeably after bedding them in on track and letting them rest, but they absolutely required a cool down lap.

Which tracks have you run on with CCB's? Have you had any issues with boiling the stock fluid?

FWIW, I'll be converting the car over to steels for track use when they are available.

[MasterP]

Originally Posted by Reid

CCB's still appear to boil the stock fluid. I noticed my pedal travel was getting longer and longer after only a few hot laps at Spa. I forgot to use Harry's lap timer, but I was hitting 150 mph at the end of the Kemmel straight and 120 mph through Blanchimont.

Also the brake feel improved noticeably after bedding them in on track and letting them rest, but they absolutely required a cool down lap.

Which tracks have you run on with CCB's? Have you had any issues with boiling the stock fluid?

FWIW, I'll be converting the car over to steels for track use when they are available.

I've boiled stick fluid tracking an F10 rental. The car ships with the same DOT4 as every other BMW. We had to flush the fluid in the paddock

If you're going to track your F8X with CCB's you'll need a lot of cooling. CCB's run hotter than steel since their thermal capacity is much higher. I'd get brake ducts or air guides at the minimum.