Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

RugbyBro · 05-20-2022, 03:42 PM

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I remember that presentation, it stated that the CSL essentially replaces the GTS moniker. It went somthing like this:

CSL: Born for the track but still street legal
CS: Optimized for the track
Comp: Street and track capable with enhanced performance
Bas: Street and track capable

I'll try to dig it out. Is seems that they have toned down what they intended for the CSL...

I got you

They definitely toned down the intent of CSL. I think it’s for the best given the way F82 GTS was received and misunderstood. Would be cool to see a pseudo GT4 variation as a end of run GTS model.

mzcp · 05-20-2022, 04:14 PM

Skyline GT-R so clean

NSX2M4 · 05-20-2022, 04:38 PM

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I see zero technological innovation/showcase, unlike every other GTS/CSL models prior to this.

Showcase of ultimate cost cutting is what I see.

Nismo M4...Only way slower.

CanAutM3 · 05-20-2022, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I got you

They definitely toned down the intent of CSL. I think it’s for the best given the way F82 GTS was received and misunderstood. Would be cool to see a pseudo GT4 variation as a end of run GTS model.

Thanks

!!! Glad to see my memory’s was not too shabby

kyrix1st · 05-20-2022, 05:31 PM

Say the car is 8 seconds quicker around the Ring... meaning it is 1.14 seconds quicker per 1 min.
We are all too familiar with how tires make up more than a second per 1 min course. So how much better of a car is this really?

M3WC · 05-20-2022, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I got you

They definitely toned down the intent of CSL. I think it’s for the best given the way F82 GTS was received and misunderstood. Would be cool to see a pseudo GT4 variation as a end of run GTS model.

When is this graphic from? CSL has definitely has been toned down from "Born for the racetrack". A pseudo GT4 model would be interesting.

Ideally they should offer a "track pack" on regular M4. Consisting of buckets, rear seat delete, adaptive suspension tuning, new dampers/springs, new strut bar.

kyrix1st · 05-20-2022, 09:28 PM

I have a hunch BMW is just following Porsche's latest development. If they did manage to make the ZF8 shift well, I suspect it's something they took it from what Porsche managed to do with the Cayenne Turbo GT.

Sedan_Clan · 05-20-2022, 11:18 PM

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Wasn't there a PowerPoint slide, depicting the hierarchy of BMW AG and M GmbH models? In it, GTS stood above CSL. Can't find it now. Maybe I'm wrong.

But true to CSL models of the past - of which there just two, though - the M4 is again a 'Clubsport' car, not a hardcore toy with very limited ability to be daily driven.

I was expecting a height-adjustable spring kit to be standard, or an optional coilover system with adjustable top mounts since this is aimed at the type of clientele that would appreciate extra adjustability. And they've got a deal with KW as well.

I remember that presentation, it stated that the CSL essentially replaces the GTS moniker. It went somthing like this:

CSL: Born for the track but still street legal
CS: Optimized for the track
Comp: Street and track capable with enhanced performance
Bas: Street and track capable

I'll try to dig it out. Is seems that they have toned down what they intended for the CSL...

How though when there was a CSL before there was a GTS?

Humdizzle · 05-20-2022, 11:22 PM

i think i found the car to replace my f80. test drove this 2011 e92 today. 40k miles and dct. wasn't going in with the intention of buying since this car is black and doesn't have edc. Just wanted to get a feel for what the e92 is like again after 3 years with a manual f80. even stock the sound is impressive. no need for a HUD because you can actually hear the engine rpms climb. suspension was stiffer than my lowered f80 but not terrible, the chassis copes well and feels solid. i'm sure with edc it would be a bit better. steering 'feel' was better. DCT was as good as the m2c i drove, and much much better than the lc500 auto.

Peertwelve · 05-20-2022, 11:31 PM

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i think i found the car to replace my f80. test drove this 2011 e92 today. 40k miles and dct. wasn't going in with the intention of buying since this car is black and doesn't have edc. Just wanted to get a feel for what the e92 is like again after 3 years with a manual f80. even stock the sound is impressive. no need for a HUD because you can actually hear the engine rpms climb. suspension was stiffer than my lowered f80 but not terrible, the chassis copes well and feels solid. i'm sure with edc it would be a bit better. steering 'feel' was better. DCT was as good as the m2c i drove, and much much better than the lc500 auto.

[img]https://imagescf.dealercenter.net/19...0e012d287b.jpg[/img]

Great choice. It might not be as fast as the f80. But the e92 has lots of character, great steering, sound. Is that Jerez?

CanAutM3 · 05-20-2022, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

How though when there was a CSL before there was a GTS?

That was BMW « going forward » marketing strategy circa 2018~2019, where they wanted to revive the CSL moniker. See RugbyBro ’s later post.

Humdizzle · 05-21-2022, 12:22 AM

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Great choice. It might not be as fast as the f80. But the e92 has lots of character, great steering, sound. Is that Jerez?

jet black

swagon · 05-21-2022, 01:31 AM

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How though when there was a CSL before there was a GTS?

That was BMW « going forward » marketing strategy circa 2018~2019, where they wanted to revive the CSL moniker. See RugbyBro ’s later post.

And here we have it straight from Van Meel in 2017 that the csl would replace gts

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...34460/bmw-csl/

Van Meel has returned to M again after Flasch

R N M · 05-21-2022, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i think i found the car to replace my f80. test drove this 2011 e92 today. 40k miles and dct. wasn't going in with the intention of buying since this car is black and doesn't have edc. Just wanted to get a feel for what the e92 is like again after 3 years with a manual f80. even stock the sound is impressive. no need for a HUD because you can actually hear the engine rpms climb. suspension was stiffer than my lowered f80 but not terrible, the chassis copes well and feels solid. i'm sure with edc it would be a bit better. steering 'feel' was better. DCT was as good as the m2c i drove, and much much better than the lc500 auto.

Any reason you want to replace F80?
I think besides the sound- the F8x cars are way superior in terms of performance, engineering, build quality, cooling, reliability etc.
It’s definitely a different driving experience vs F8x cars and they sound great.

swagon · 05-21-2022, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i think i found the car to replace my f80. test drove this 2011 e92 today. 40k miles and dct. wasn't going in with the intention of buying since this car is black and doesn't have edc. Just wanted to get a feel for what the e92 is like again after 3 years with a manual f80. even stock the sound is impressive. no need for a HUD because you can actually hear the engine rpms climb. suspension was stiffer than my lowered f80 but not terrible, the chassis copes well and feels solid. i'm sure with edc it would be a bit better. steering 'feel' was better. DCT was as good as the m2c i drove, and much much better than the lc500 auto.

Beautiful car.

Get some lighter 18", thicker sidewall will help with comfort noticeably.

No Boost · 05-21-2022, 06:41 AM

Last of its kind it would seem. ADM and long-term owner storage to the max! And that wing....May need clearance for landing from the tower

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-gt3-rs-spied/

Sedan_Clan · 05-21-2022, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by No Boost

Last of its kind it would seem. ADM and long-term owner storage to the max!

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-gt3-rs-spied/

The 992 ST is going to be the one to have.

kyrix1st · 05-21-2022, 07:33 AM

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jet black

Same as my DCT. Great color but not easy to maintain.

CanAutM3 · 05-21-2022, 08:09 AM

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The 992 ST is going to be the one to have.

What’s an ST ? Seems like I behind with the news…

Sedan_Clan · 05-21-2022, 08:15 AM

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The 992 ST is going to be the one to have.

What's an ST ? Seems like I behind with the news…

https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...rs-rumors/amp/

Spy pics on RL as well.

https://uk.motor1.com/news/585066/po...st-spy-photos/

CanAutM3 · 05-21-2022, 08:22 AM

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https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...rs-rumors/amp/

Spy pics on RL as well.

https://uk.motor1.com/news/585066/po...st-spy-photos/

OK, so it would be a “touring” version of the GT3RS: Widebody, NA, MT and no aero. Interesting.

Sedan_Clan · 05-21-2022, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...rs-rumors/amp/

Spy pics on RL as well.

https://uk.motor1.com/news/585066/po...st-spy-photos/

OK, so it would be a "touring" version of the GT3RS: Widebody, NA, MT and no aero. Interesting.

They are billing it as the 992's 911R.

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