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We used to own an AMG GT-S at the shop so I've driven that plenty, that is truly an excellent handling car and one of the most fun cars I have ever driven but of course an M3 that is based on a family sedan is going to struggle if compared to a thoroughbred sports car. |
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10-25-2017, 12:19 PM | #178 | |
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As for the price, given the OEM CF hood is hell expensive, plus all the other bits, it might still be worth it. But I'd be adding up the cost of a ZCP and buying a hood/lip/spoiler as opposed to just paying more for this model - especially if it comes with everything I want. |
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10-25-2017, 12:46 PM | #179 | |
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I agree with your point though. An M3/4 will never be a “pure” sports car, it never was intended to be. For me, the M3/4 are all about balancing daily practicality, reasonable luxury and track ability. Not many cars offer an as well rounded package in that respect in the market. It is one of the main reasons I never really got what the M4 GTS is about.
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$120 for an M3 at the end of it's life cycle that will surely get killed by next generation's base model. Nope. Sounds cool to throw numbers around, and BMW seems to be throwing every variation available at the masses. I think we've hit the tip of the spear with a ZCP with Mperf coils and an aftermarket exhaust. The rest is just cannon fodder for all the fanboys. |
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10-25-2017, 01:23 PM | #181 | |
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Don't think so ... a full loaded F80 ZCP is close to that number already.
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10-25-2017, 02:13 PM | #186 | |
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Whether that means a $90k starting price for the M3 CS is possible remains to be seen. But, the M4 CS is probably going to be about $100k in the US, and something has to give with the omission of OLED tail lights (which are a ~$9000 part, give or take). |
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10-25-2017, 02:22 PM | #187 |
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Not sure if this was posted in this tread yet but the M4 CS failed to beat a M4 CP recently on same set of tires.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/b...me-121168.html If that's the case the M3 CS will be lacking the one thing that set the M4 CS apart which is the rear OLED lights. This M3 CS better be at the most 3-5k difference on top of the CP simply for the carbon pieces and wheels/tires.
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Fully loaded? You mean with the $10k brake option and the waste of money $4k exec package. Sure. But even then you are only in the $80k range and this is a CS not a car that needs Exec package etc (nor would I get one with it). So $90k is not so far-fetched at all. Remember no OLED taillights which are themselves $9k roughly.
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With CCB it's gonna be over 100.000$ I would never buy an M3/M4 without exec package and glad mine has this option.
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10-25-2017, 02:51 PM | #190 | |
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I like the CF lip, hood and CF spoiler being on their as "factory" rather than add-ons later. And the lighter-weight wheels. But not if the sum of the parts is less than the sticker price... |
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You missed my point of BMW keeping the excessive options... options.. The Carbons and the OLEDs.... OLEDs don't provide any improvement in performance... An the CC are debatable. Charge 75 for a base CS, then add in options. Then if a fully load m4/m3 CS is 100K so be it. Question is how expensive this will be vs the GTS as the CS is supposed to be a semi normal production. Vervain JTO24 dreventador mkoesel |
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10-25-2017, 03:21 PM | #193 | |
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The content that is unique to the M4 CS is standard equipment. That means that the OLED tail lights will be standard. Similarly, the unique interior is standard. Obviously the hood, spoiler, splitter, and lightweight wheels are all standard too.
You have to have to be aware that, with the M4 CS, BMW is not trying to build a car that offers the best performance bang for the buck. So, its not about offering performance upgrades at a good value. They are trying to up-sell customers by throwing in exclusive content - content that is mostly eye candy or at the very least is of dubious importance from a performance standpoint. The "M3 CS" should be positioned similarly, except that it won't have the OLEDs. We don't even know what the interior will be either, as far as I know. So it should come in at a cheaper price than the M4 CS. But that doesn't mean it will be a good value. Quote:
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Very reasonable points you make.
But at the same time, I think it is pretty safe to assume that there is a reason why the M4 CS is being treated as a separate model, while this M3 "CS" is not. The fact that they weren't presented or at least announced at the same time also suggests some sort of separation between the two. There's got to be more to this story. Hopefully we know the rest soon. |
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It might change that but as of right now, a MT is not being considered for the next generation of M3/M4 despite all the logical reasons that we might consider. Quote:
Edit: As I mentioned earlier, we will know officially what this car will be called "much" sooner than expected. Last edited by Gatte; 10-25-2017 at 04:30 PM.. |
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