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      04-11-2021, 06:28 PM   #1
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Kratos in the 9 sec?

Anyone have Kratos turbos with stock internals in the 9 sec?
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      04-14-2021, 11:24 AM   #2
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Anyone have Kratos turbos with stock internals in the 9 sec?
The majority of our client base unfortunately are not 1/4 mile customers or actively participating forum members. Most of them purchase our turbo systems based on our quality and engineering in addition to their power output capabilities. This is not to say that our S55 turbo systems are not capable of running 9's, as most any OEM style twin turbo upgrade system on the market for the S55 that produces a usable 750whp powerband has the potential to run 9's. There is this constant false narrative being perpetuated that stock style quick spool is the only way to break in to the 9's. This perception only holds true when discussing setups compared to either a fairly large custom twin turbo or a large custom single turbo setup. Typically, these larger custom setups are just too laggy and lack the power or torque down low produce a good enough launch to achieve a 9 second pass as compared to an OEM style upgraded twin turbo setup with the same 750whp. However, that hurdle has become easier to cross with the addition of anti-lag made available by many reputable tuning platforms.

Some companies that sell upgraded turbo systems for the S55 platform use the term "We" when referring to their customer's running 9's and the term "They" when referencing other companies who have customer's that either have runs 9's and haven't posted, haven't run 9's, or don't care to run 9's as 1/4 mile is of no interest to them. It's the customer's choice to make the necessary preparations to be a 9 second capable 1/4 mile car as well as understand the abuse and risks the driveline see's during a launch with DR's or slicks on a prepped track. Some people are okay with this, while others may not be. However, referring to other companies and stating that "They" haven't run 9's as if any company has control over what their customers choose to do with their cars is just a way to cast a shadow on others in a feeble attempt to shine light on themselves. It's not in our power to choose if our customers prefer 1/4 mile, half mile, road racing, etc. It's also not in our power to control if they wish to post this information or not.

The fact of the matter is that our turbo systems are more than capable of running 9's on a stock engine and produce an average of 250whp-300whp more peak horsepower on a built engine with the broadest powerband of any other OEM style upgraded twin turbo system on the market for a S55. If a customer chooses to purchase one of our turbo system's for their S55 and chooses to produce 750whp on his stock engine, there is no reason at all the car would not be 9 second capable as long as the correct vehicle preparations are performed for 1/4 mile racing.
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Subbed, heard a lot of chatter on turbos. Which ones really are the best?
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Some companies that sell upgraded turbo systems for the S55 platform use the term "We" when referring to their customer's running 9's and the term "They" when referencing other companies who have customer's that either have runs 9's and haven't posted, haven't run 9's, or don't care to run 9's as 1/4 mile is of no interest to them. It's the customer's choice to make the necessary preparations to be a 9 second capable 1/4 mile car as well as understand the abuse and risks the driveline see's during a launch with DR's or slicks on a prepped track. Some people are okay with this, while others may not be. However, referring to other companies and stating that "They" haven't run 9's as if any company has control over what their customers choose to do with their cars is just a way to cast a shadow on others in a feeble attempt to shine light on themselves.
Hot damn

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      04-15-2021, 08:09 PM   #5
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I can almost guarantee that any Kratos set up has MORE than enough power to run a 9. The issue is most consumers as mentioned are not 1/4 mile enthusiasts.

Translated from PC Company speech, the typical f8x owner (even the big turbo guys) know dick about drag racing and assume the car was not meant for it because ThEY CanT geT TrAcTioN.

The truth is the chassis is capable of going 9s with a true 650whp. It just takes weight reduction, some bracing tweaks, a 17" conversion for a real radial and people that are semi-experienced with making track cars being able to transfer weight in a DCT.
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      04-16-2021, 09:18 PM   #6
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What's the scoop on Kratos Evo Turbos for the S55 platform? What are the differences between Evo and the regular Kratos Turbos?
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      04-17-2021, 04:27 PM   #7
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I can almost guarantee that any Kratos set up has MORE than enough power to run a 9. The issue is most consumers as mentioned are not 1/4 mile enthusiasts.

Translated from PC Company speech, the typical f8x owner (even the big turbo guys) know dick about drag racing and assume the car was not meant for it because ThEY CanT geT TrAcTioN.

The truth is the chassis is capable of going 9s with a true 650whp. It just takes weight reduction, some bracing tweaks, a 17" conversion for a real radial and people that are semi-experienced with making track cars being able to transfer weight in a DCT.
There is NOT even one 9s second F80/82 with 650whp to date.
Or are you talking about the possibility of converting to a totally boned race car ( no a/c, no pwer windows and aluminum seat ) just to run 1/4 mile.
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Hot damn

Way to professionally call out the haters (i.e. particular vendors) that get a hard-on by throwing shade and continually stroking the same accomplishment over and over.

Standing by for the fireworks!!
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Anyone have Kratos turbos with stock internals in the 9 sec?
i am not aware of anyone with Kratos running 9 sec

I do think it has the potential for 9 sec if pushed
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Let's just keep it real guys. Spool is a MAJOR factor in getting a car to launch. You can have all the power in the world, if your turbos spool as slow as your 6 year old getting out of bed on a school day you won't be able to make enough boost at the line to cut the 60 ft required to get that car down the track quick enough. You WILL have a high trap speed as trap speed equates to power. 1/4 ET is pretty much all in the launch. If you can't get the car off the line you won't run a 9, even with 900+WHP.

That post up top is just company jargon for no we have no cars in the 9's. BUT we could if we wanted to, coulda, shoulda, woulda. Right, so not a single customer running that brand is interested in running a 9-second pass, and if there are some that have done it, they are so uninterested in that accomplishment that they didn't bother to post it? I'll let you guys see through that for what it is.

Yes, we have 10+ S55's in the 9's. Yes, it matters, no it's not easy to do, and yes it has a lot to do with how well the GC line up spools which allows a much harder launch. Carry on

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That post up top is just company jargon for no we have no cars in the 9's. BUT we could if we wanted to, coulda, shoulda, woulda. Right, so not a single customer running that brand is interested in running a 9-second pass, and if there are some that have done it, they are so uninterested in that accomplishment that they didn't bother to post it? I'll let you guys see through that for what it is.

Yes, we have 10+ S55's in the 9's. Yes, it matters, no it's not easy to do, and yes it has a lot to do with how well the GC line up spools which allows a much harder launch. Carry on
Not everyone really cares about getting into the 9's. Is it impressive? Sure. Is it the end all be all for everyone? No. If you want to live your life a quarter mile at a time, go right ahead. At this point it's comparing apples to oranges.

But lets keep it real, the post above is just company jargon for we have no cars which have capped the 1,000WHP mark. BUT, but you know, could if you wanted to. Coulda, shoulda, woulda right?.
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the subject clearly says kratos in the 9 sec?

just a friendly reminder for those who have zero interest in doing a 9 second pass.

sadly the demographics here are more interested in a pissing contest instead of providing valuable technical contributions
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I just ordered two sets of evo turbo from them last week and no I am not even running e85. Their turbo runs simply better than other companies', even at 91, period!
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the subject clearly says kratos in the 9 sec?

just a friendly reminder for those who have zero interest in doing a 9 second pass.

sadly the demographics here are more interested in a pissing contest instead of providing valuable technical contributions
The insecurity is so bad....haha.

OP sitting back like...It was a just a question guys.
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I'm working to make it to the Nines with Kratos.

I couldn't shift my '18 F80 MT6 fast enough so I've bumped up to a '19 F82 DCT. The F80's best is 11.7@123 on Paul's E80 and FBOs, but stock motor, turbos and pumps.

The F82 runs 12.0 stock and 11.7 on 93 w Stg0 GTS and 325 R888R tires. That's my baseline. Spare S55 motor sourced, then checked, cleaned and built by Billy at BMB in NJ. Parts are KRAS55EVOs, CP rods and pistons, CNC head w stud kit, Dorch lift kit w stock pumps, EU5 injectors, EoS manifold, and Dodson Sportsman Plus. Turbos and clutches should deliver soon, all other parts are already assembled or on the bench. Fuels will be pump 93, pump E85, and pail 104 race gas. Next short term step will be getting a real drag tire and wheel combo, and tuning the DCT for better launch and shifts.
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I'm working to make it to the Nines with Kratos.

I couldn't shift my '18 F80 MT6 fast enough so I've bumped up to a '19 F82 DCT. The F80's best is 11.7@123 on Paul's E80 and FBOs, but stock motor, turbos and pumps.

The F82 runs 12.0 stock and 11.7 on 93 w Stg0 GTS and 325 R888R tires. That's my baseline. Spare S55 motor sourced, then checked, cleaned and built by Billy at BMB in NJ. Parts are KRAS55EVOs, CP rods and pistons, CNC head w stud kit, Dorch lift kit w stock pumps, EU5 injectors, EoS manifold, and Dodson Sportsman Plus. Turbos and clutches should deliver soon, all other parts are already assembled or on the bench. Fuels will be pump 93, pump E85, and pail 104 race gas. Next short term step will be getting a real drag tire and wheel combo, and tuning the DCT for better launch and shifts.
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How would Kratos run on a stock motor with FBO? Would this be too much in power in the respect for reliability. Not a subject matter expert on this so please excuse my knowledge base.
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How would Kratos run on a stock motor with FBO? Would this be too much in power in the respect for reliability. Not a subject matter expert on this so please excuse my knowledge base.
The power is all relative to the tune, and can be limited in lower ranges to keep stock internals happy. Are you DCT/6MT and what's your use case?
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The power is all relative to the tune, and can be limited in lower ranges to keep stock internals happy. Are you DCT/6MT and what's your use case?
Im stock right now since I just de-tuned from stage 2(BM3) for smog purposes, but I was FBO with catless downpipes (Installing after Inspection). And yes im DCT ,I use it for spirited driving on occasion since im usually busy and use my daily for work. I do want a bit more power with high reliability so thats why im interested in Kratos as their build quality seems far superior not include all of their factual data plus warranty. Yes I could try to send it to the moon but im not ready for all that since its only use at that point would only drag racing.I want a little of both worlds Track / Casual spirited drive.To say the least im fascinated by quality parts as we spoke earlier big purchase for the EOS products as well Cant beat the billet stuff they make .
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The power is all relative to the tune, and can be limited in lower ranges to keep stock internals happy. Are you DCT/6MT and what's your use case?
Im stock right now since I just de-tuned from stage 2(BM3) for smog purposes, but I was FBO with catless downpipes (Installing after Inspection). And yes im DCT ,I use it for spirited driving on occasion since im usually busy and use my daily for work. I do want a bit more power with high reliability so thats why im interested in Kratos as their build quality seems far superior not include all of their factual data plus warranty. Yes I could try to send it to the moon but im not ready for all that since its only use at that point would only drag racing.I want a little of both worlds Track / Casual spirited drive.To say the least im fascinated by quality parts as we spoke earlier big purchase for the EOS products as well Cant beat the billet stuff they make .
I'd suggest you ask Kratos if you would get faster spool up from their Bi/Ti line or from the EVOs. Take the ones with faster spool up. The EVOs start to come on late at 3.5-4K but when they do…hold on.
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The power is all relative to the tune, and can be limited in lower ranges to keep stock internals happy. Are you DCT/6MT and what's your use case?
Im stock right now since I just de-tuned from stage 2(BM3) for smog purposes, but I was FBO with catless downpipes (Installing after Inspection). And yes im DCT ,I use it for spirited driving on occasion since im usually busy and use my daily for work. I do want a bit more power with high reliability so thats why im interested in Kratos as their build quality seems far superior not include all of their factual data plus warranty. Yes I could try to send it to the moon but im not ready for all that since its only use at that point would only drag racing.I want a little of both worlds Track / Casual spirited drive.To say the least im fascinated by quality parts as we spoke earlier big purchase for the EOS products as well Cant beat the billet stuff they make .
I'd suggest you ask Kratos if you would get faster spool up from their Bi/Ti line or from the EVOs. Take the ones with faster spool up. The EVOs start to come on late at 3.5-4K but when they do…hold on.
Sounds good, thanks TopJimmy
Do you think I should be good with stock motor though ?
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How would Kratos run on a stock motor with FBO? Would this be too much in power in the respect for reliability. Not a subject matter expert on this so please excuse my knowledge base.
Although, all our KRAS55 line of turbos are proven to produce 1000+whp, this doesn't mean the stress on your engine would be increased when detuned for lower power outputs. On the contrary, due to our high flowing rotor group and increased exhaust flow (A/R Ratio) manifold design, your back pressure will be significantly reduced over any other twin turbo system on the market for the S55 platform. As a result, your engine will breathe more freely with increased combustion efficiency and your IAT's will be lower due to the high adiabatic efficiency of our compressor wheel designs.

Keep in mind that having an extremely efficient turbo system is only part of the equation as a good quality tune is required for a higher level of reliability whether your engine is stock or built. A key factor in keeping your stock engine safe is not only to limit torque to approximately 650-675wtq, but also to keep torque from peaking before 4k rpms. This also allows the car to be more enjoyable to drive on the street as you're not violently spinning the tires with virtually no real forward movement.

Attached below is a dyno of a completely stock engine S55 with catless downpipes, stock exhaust, heat exchanger, max-psi crank hub, and PI on pump E85 with our KRAS55Bi's installed on a 32psi HCP Tune. This dyno is from 4 years ago and to this day the same car is still running strong as a daily driver. You'll notice how the peak torque doesn't come in until almost 5krpm and is limited as previously discussed. You'll also notice how power continues to climb to 812whp all the way to the 7.5k rev limiter, whereas all other twin turbos systems begin to drop off after 6.5k. The power and torque band is by design through the tune to keep things safe and reliable. Although, power and torque could have been brought in much sooner as many other dynos of our KRAS55Bi's online have shown. To this day, you will be hard pressed to find dyno results from any hybrid or otherwise twin turbo system on the market for the S55 platform that produces these type of results or powerband and level of reliability, be it on a stock or built engine.
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