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M cars have become more ordinary (engines), competition has caught up. Exclude hard driving contexts in which the M car shines, I'd need a day driving both in my area to decide between F80 and RS 5 Sportback. Something about the latter. Super practical, cool, subtly aggressive, sort of has a modern E39 M5 quality in my eyes.
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They've evolved Quattro to create more playfulness over the years, but the fundamental character is still the same. S/RS models understeer, upside is straight-ahead traction and stability. You'd have it just trying to get home in a blizzard. xDrive is intended to mimic the rwd driving experience. Even F30 335i xDrive was a tail out snow drift machine. Could be driven conservatively with the systems engaged, but turn tc off and it went absolutely sideways. M xDrive offers/will offer the same experience, potential for driving fun. Quattro models to date don't offer the same. Not to mention, you can make the M xDrive car rwd on demand… M xDrive M3/M4 ≠ Quattro RS 5. I can see opting for the RS car, but not because of awd and dynamic driving equivalence.
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Having driven multiple AWD systems, Audi, Subaru, BMW, two of those felt like real AWD systems while the third felt like a RWD system masquerading as an AWD system. Personally, they might be what you're looking for though. Me, if I'm going to deal with the weight of an AWD system, I want it to act like an AWD system. |
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That center diff technology has been the keystone to the power of Quattro since inception. But it has to be said that the BMW xDrive has significantly closed the gap in recent years, as demonstrated in this video:
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I'm fine with your response, I just to want to be clear you started by saying, "Quattro is better than xDrive." and are now saying you like the way it drives better. Totally fine, just two different sentences. Personally I like my AWD to give me a little tail wiggle when I hit the gas hard mid corner or corner exit as the rear breaks traction a tad and the front grabs hard. I like that feeling. But I'd be the first to say I find Audi Quattro superb, balanced, and more invisible and given equal tires I'd feel great in Audi, BMW, or Subaru in any wintry conditions. With Subaru being the least technically advanced of those, but their classic 50/50 AWD being frigging amazing.
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Still appreciated it for what it could do, and the 6 disc changer was $. You don't need more than 6 music options at once.
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I just find certain posts extremely amusing when I read M3/M4 is significantly faster etc. It really isn't. And if you really think so then, you are just watching youtube and haven't driven one and just making up the story to make yourself feel better about owning a F80. I get it. This is a BMW forum after all. But on dynamic mode or manual mode, I'm sure my RS5 could keep up and surprise a few drivers out there. Besides, last time I floored it, I was already over 100mph on the turnpike. It's plenty quick on legal roads and it's a joy to drive when you want it to be in comfort. So, it is what it is and it's not for everyone. I can tell you F80 probably outsells RS5 by 5 to 1 margin. RS5 is also much more exclusive if I may add whether it's because of the price or being slower in a roll to M3s. But I go months without seeing another RS5. I like that.
But I'm always onto the next best thing I can afford. lol. Hopefully, I get into a Porsche or the G series M3 next. I actually love the new grill design. Very bold and different. Last edited by Kiefermeister; 07-28-2020 at 03:56 PM.. |
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Nope, but the public transit colour scheme is telling
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CanAutM3 I'm curious since you tends to know your Audi's, has your family considered the new S4?
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That's a leasing byproduct, isn't it? I'm not disagreeing in a lease vs. lease comparison, just basically making the observation that that's purely a difference in lease programs. Their actual depreciation is fairly similar to my knowledge.
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My wife and I decided to try to buy another f80 m3, however in looking at 4 different vehicles now, they either don’t age well (Only had my f80 m3 for roughly 5 months) or the previous owners were lessors who treated did not treat the cars well. |
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If you plan on keeping this long term, one thing to consider is Audi's virtual-axis 4 link front suspension.
It's complex, and puts the majority of the front subframes load onto the top links, so their bushings tend to go weak every 30,000 miles and really starts to feel messy after 40,000 miles. Budget front-end replacements every 35,000 miles. From personal experience with North/South engines modern Audi's. Also, Audi is seriously discounting these. My bud picked his 87k RS5 SB for 73k without haggling. |
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Must be. New Sportback inventory has dropped from just under 200 2 weeks ago to under 50 now nationwide. Lot of green ones, etc. remaining.
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