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I guess more of a (2) based on previous posts, but holy cow is this a funny thread reading some trying to make sense out of something nonsensical. The ONE thing I can truly say the F8Xs have going for them is an incredibly linear, flat torque curve that has a very strong pull from very low rpms to deep in the rev range. Take it out of efficient mode, remove head from butt and enjoy. Last edited by 996ttelise; 07-30-2017 at 06:11 AM.. |
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You mash the gas on lower powered loaners. You tend to not mash the gas all the time on an M cruising around town, it would be too ridiculous.
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Being 6MT old dudes in Camry's take me off the line all the time. Those same guys go home, tell the wife how they smashed a M3 today during rush hour and probably find a way to get a little action later. I think of it as my civic duty. So yes a 330 around town probably feels a bit peppier to me as a result, hell my wife's MDX feels downright giddy when I mash the gas off the line, but I also know doing the same in the M likely excites lots of wheel spin and curses from my neighbors (it's a frickin orange M3 after all) so I take things a bit slower about town and save the hooliganism for the track.
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What you do with the six-speed car is take off at whatever level of acceleration that is normal for the situation, but you will begin tapering off the gas just before the shift, make the shift, and then taper back up with the gas until you're back at your desired acceleration, resulting in around a two-second gap in "normal" acceleration, or even a little more. Result? Grandpa/granny in the Camry/Buick kicks your ass, because they don't have to taper off the gas for two seconds around each lazy shift. The torque converter and cone clutches take car of smoothness. It used to be that stick drivers could console themselves with the fact that, given a little skill, they were consistently faster in a race/on track than their automatic brethren. No more. The manufacturers/developers of traditional torque converter/sun-and-planetary-geared boxes have struck back with nine and ten-speed offerings that are fast as hell. Everywhere. Often better mileage, as well. Sigh. It's an ugly world when you are clearly disadvantaged if you insist on rowing your own. Bruce |
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I just picked up a 340i MSport xDrive loaner, I was surprised how different the steering and brakes feel, not in a good way. It made me appreciate my M3’s seats too. I will say the 340i feels pretty smooth at 90ish mph where you can feel the road surface imperfections more in my M3.
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My car is slow as F compared to others I drive. Mainly because I'm tuned, and car will either spin, or traction control kicks in, once I hook though I am off like a rocket. My old 2.5 z4 feels faster than my M3 around town. I could flat foot that bitch and not lose traction...but yes I agree whenever I get into a loaner or rental I immediately think my car is slow.
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Seriously - of all the mods I've done on my car (and there are many) getting more rubber is the best.
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This thread is nonsense.
OP's car is messed up or traction control is killing the fun. Let's be real here, if you took an M3 dyno and compared it to the 330 at any RPM, the wheel HP, torque and well anything at any RPM would be night/day. I had a 330 loaner last month while the beast was at the dealership and the absolute last thought I had was, wow, you know this 248 HP 4 cylinder is quicker than my car. You all realize the M3/4 makes 250 HP at the wheels at 3,000 RPM right? Yes, this car makes more power at the wheels at a measly 3K RPM than the 330i makes at the crank in total. Last edited by neilum; 08-06-2017 at 10:14 AM.. |
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I currently have a 330 loaner and it takes off smoother because of traction. I tried merging onto highway and it was slow af lmao
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The only one talking about racing in this string is you. It's torque converter vs DCT at low throttle, tough guy. Try reading it again. |
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That mini van /330i or whatever can't do 0-60 like an F8X. Here is what I feel is the biggest issue. Stop racing any car while on MAX AC. IT KILLS RESPONSE TIME AND HP. "Owe my car in the summer feels slow, should it be warranted?" - no it's called summer and running AC stupid. |
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It's not slower. Take off all traction control in the city with bumps all over and then see what happens, but keep your car straight please.
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I've had a couple F80s and an F30 328i as well as an X3 28i... I noticed the 28i cars, when in Sport Plus had extremely sensitive throttle response .. which is why it "felt fast" ... it went from the proverbial 0-100 in a split second ... it always felt jerky and uncomfortable to me so i hated it.
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I will just add my two cents here.
While I sent my F83 to service, I got a G20 3 series loaner. Around town it does feel ‘faster’. Using its sport display, I saw the acceleration jumps to ~0.6g the moment I floor the gas and then decreases to ~0.4g. My Laptimer on the other hand shows that in around town driving, my F83 typically registers 1/5 throttle and when accelerating ~0.3-0.4g. There is typically a half second lag between throttle and the car starting moving. I think this shows that a few reasons discussed in this thread all contribute to the the observed feeling: The DCT vs ZF 8-speed difference makes 330i’s power feels more instantaneous. 330i’s body rolling/weight shift under hard acceleration might partially account for the initially large acceleration felt but they don’t quite contribute to getting the vehicle moving. Driving M4 around town makes us very conservative on applying the throttle whereas on a 330i, it feels more safe and less noticeable to floor the gas. (And also more throttle is needed for 330i in usual traffic; just imagine applying 1/5 all the time, the car would hold up traffic too much.) Overall 330i is an excellent DD that pretends to be sporty-in it’s core it’s a quiet, very comfortable car with some cool technology, whereas M4 is a sport car in its core that is daily drivable to some extent. |
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This is simple.
330i loaner especially x drive you can go at 1/2 pedal to WOT and hookup and go, make no noise, smooth as hell, light. It feels like it pulls hard. On the other end i drive my M4 at 10% pedal putting around town, if i go half pedal in first and second i might induce alot of wheel spin and also stress myself out. If i go WOT i will end up in someone's lawn. Driving the 330i near it's limits in the city is definitely faster than driving an M4 at 1/10. It isn't just a FEELING. It's reality, the loaner is FASTER around town, for the simple fact that you can drive it fast without worrying about dying. I genuinely fear going WOT in my GTS tuned M4 in anything below 3rd gear, so i never do it and i actually end up driving slower than mashing the pedal in my father's acura ilx which will never step out on me and which i also have no mechanical sympathy for. |
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my 335 felt quicker around town because it has a tiny turbo that spools quicker and an 8 speed auto. But hustle it on a back road and you will easily see the difference between a 3 series and M4. this is why people feel that teslas are so fast. you are at peak torque with awd all the time. you dont have to work for anything.
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Recently had a 330 x drive loaner while my M3 was in for service and it felt pretty similar to what people have said. Brake boosting off the line, with traction control off and in the most sporty settings really increases the acceleration off the line (and shifts), and is faster than my car could ever be (6 speed) in most situations below highway speeds. Every other part of the car feels so much different compared to my car; it's actually pretty impressive considering they're both the same chassis underneath. It's pretty similar with my wife's SQ5. It's got lots of traction, a quick spooling turbo and lightening fast shifts and on an impromptu traffic light race, I was seeing her taillights until about 50mph when I started to go past her, but then I was already speeding and had to slow down.
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