Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[White340]

Originally Posted by swagon

Can't find the thread, but here are the IG posts



https://www.instagram.com/p/CM-ArDKJ...d=bec2ojf4ewnc

It does indeed look better. Makes the car look less like an SUV. Should have been like that from the factory.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Theoretically there might be little difference if you can judge MT downshift points perfectly say go from 5th to 2nd gear in one rev match (often times you risk over-braking or over-revving) but the way you set up the car for an entry in any non-straight braking zone where there is a certain bank angle, it is quite clear the action of pressing the clutch and blipping throttle while your legs are subject to high lateral G-force results in slower response than simply flicking the paddle and focusing on the lines.
Simply put, you are more than likely to not carry maximum speed possible following an ideal line, or if you do, it would just be slower than optimal.

It is also why fast GT drivers prefer minimal number of downshifts when driving with MT. PDK/DCT resolves this issue by effectively eliminating that variable.
I think on the Castle Combe, most advantages would be gained by faster upshifts.

I'm with FormulaMMM , there's zero benefit on downshift between DCT and MT for someone who know how to properly heel and toe. If a braking zone requires more than one downshift, it will inherently be long enough to give you plenty of time to do the two blips, or worse come to worse, you just wait to the last minute and skip gears.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by swagon

Can't find the thread, but here are the IG posts



https://www.instagram.com/p/CM-ArDKJ...d=bec2ojf4ewnc

That looks soooooo much better.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I actually have really liked the colors on G8X so far (IOMG & BG are my top 2), with one very bright objection. I also hate that color on the Civic and Camaro, so it's not specifically a G8X thing lol.

Personally, I would stay away form the Yas/SPY interior - I think it looks a little tacky and very out of place if you aren't running SPY as an exterior color. I also don't like KO - if it was just a bit more brown like cinnamon I would love it, but every time I see orange in a car I think of the 2010 Camaro with Orange Interior and racing stripes that I thought was so cool as a high schooler. KO is literally one shade away from being great in my eyes.

BG and full Silverstone/White w/ carbon buckets would be my pick - I may have spec'd it on the builder... you know, for research purposes.

Thanks for the insight. It's appreciated.

When I built my BG G82, I, too, spec'd it with the Silverstone CF buckets.

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Ain't that just crazy?! You gotta really think about what that means to Hyundai. It gives them some credo and tells me they are just getting started on something good.

I really want my next M car to be an EV or performance hybrid. BMW was onto something with the i8 but they just fell short on executing on an i8M...why?!?!

Sedan_Clan I fully expect you to be in a G82 when the LCI launches. I know you know how this works with BMW's way of dooling out updates and editions and you're just waiting hahha. The new iDrive 8 refresh will make all these launch editions look dated (interior wise) really fast since it's going to be a pretty radical change and upgrade.

I didn't know iDrive 8 changes were going to be so drastic. Are there any threads on it?

[kyrix1st]

Check my previous post #5407
@ 1:47 for first
@1:33 for second vid

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I'm with FormulaMMM , there's zero benefit on downshift between DCT and MT for someone who know how to properly heel and toe. If a braking zone requires more than one downshift, it will inherently be long enough to give you plenty of time to do the two blips, or worse come to worse, you just wait to the last minute and skip gears.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I didn't know iDrive 8 was going to be so drastic. Are there any threads on it?

There still isn't much technical info or videos/hands-on info on the actual software. So far just a look at the design. They are going for a more minimalist look. Will debut on iX and i4, with the Mercedes Dual-Tablet Screen inspired setup and will be implemented into the G2X/8X LCI.

BMW introduces the iDrive 8 Infotainment System

To me it seems like another step backwards. I personally think iDrive 6.0 was the best in terms of design and usability. iDrive 7.0 isn't bad, but its more convoluted and the gauges suck. 8.0 seems to make it more minimalist with less visible controls and adds uglier gauges and weird color schemes.

[six75LT]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

There still isn't much technical info or videos/hands-on info on the actual software. So far just a look at the design. They are going for a more minimalist look. Will debut on iX and i4, with the Mercedes Dual-Tablet Screen inspired setup and will be implemented into the G2X/8X LCI.

BMW introduces the iDrive 8 Infotainment System

To me it seems like another step backwards. I personally think iDrive 6.0 was the best in terms of design and usability. iDrive 7.0 isn't bad, but its more convoluted and the gauges suck. 8.0 seems to make it more minimalist with less visible controls and adds uglier gauges and weird color schemes.

seriously those boomerang gauges are just awful. some things dont need to be reinvented.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

We all have different taste. I thought it was an ugly color at first but then I saw it yesterday at the dealership and my mind changed instantly.

You're right. Some people have good taste and some people like that color.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by six75LT

seriously those boomerang gauges are just awful. some things dont need to be reinvented.

Seriously awful. I mean how hard is it to simply just design a classic gauge setup? If they aren't going to add customizability I don't see the point in moving to digital screens. Hell, my wife's GLC has like a million different gauge setups and endless customizations for a basic commuter luxury SUV in comparison. Could have a different gauge setup for everyday of the week.

Just look at the two they gave us, "Luxury Drive" and "Focused Sport," they literally look exactly the same.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Just look at the two they gave us, "Luxury Drive" and "Focused Sport," they literally look exactly the same.

And when you are on track and "focussed on sport", the main thing you want to see in the middle of your dash is a vanilla icon for the missing album art of the music you're listening to!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by pbar

And when you are on track and "focussed on sport", the main thing you want to see in the middle of your dash is a vanilla icon for the missing album art of the music you're listening to!

Almost makes you not want iDrive8.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

There still isn't much technical info or videos/hands-on info on the actual software. So far just a look at the design. They are going for a more minimalist look. Will debut on iX and i4, with the Mercedes Dual-Tablet Screen inspired setup and will be implemented into the G2X/8X LCI.

BMW introduces the iDrive 8 Infotainment System

To me it seems like another step backwards. I personally think iDrive 6.0 was the best in terms of design and usability. iDrive 7.0 isn't bad, but its more convoluted and the gauges suck. 8.0 seems to make it more minimalist with less visible controls and adds uglier gauges and weird color schemes.

The more convoluted BMW makes their iDrive, the worse it will look.

Tech stuff like this will age the fastest. The most minimalistic and easy, the less horrible it will look.

It gives me the feeling BMW is throwing all of their RnD money on useless little things instead of improving, I don't know... their cars maybe? Why is their suspension tech so behind Porsche and Caddy?

[Tecnniqe]

Why do we need digital gauges when we have beautiful analog ones

It just adds clutter in most cases.

[Arcades]

omg BMW is even following the stupid giant screen nonsense.

Please make this crap stop ffs.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

how do you guys think a Brooklyn Gray car would look with the Yas Marina Blue/yellow/black full leather interior with the CF buckets?

I'm probably an outlier, but all these interiors look like my wife's running shoes.



and I'm not into foot pr0n, but if one is, then it's probably great!

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Arcades

It gives me the feeling BMW is throwing all of their RnD money on useless little things instead of improving, I don't know... their cars maybe? Why is their suspension tech so behind Porsche and Caddy?

The more I watch and read about AMG / Benz, the more I think they're really tapping into something different - even this c-class PHEV seems like Benz is thinking next-tech/next-steps

He drives it with Mathias who's the same guy from the C63 videos I think

this is good video if you're looking for some new dubstep

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Theoretically there might be little difference if you can judge MT downshift points perfectly say go from 5th to 2nd gear in one rev match (often times you risk over-braking or over-revving) but the way you set up the car for an entry in any non-straight braking zone where there is a certain bank angle, it is quite clear the action of pressing the clutch and blipping throttle while your legs are subject to high lateral G-force results in slower response than simply flicking the paddle and focusing on the lines.
Simply put, you are more than likely to not carry maximum speed possible following an ideal line, or if you do, it would just be slower than optimal.

It is also why fast GT drivers prefer minimal number of downshifts when driving with MT. PDK/DCT resolves this issue by effectively eliminating that variable.
I think on the Castle Combe, most advantages would be gained by faster upshifts.

It's not theoretical. I've said my braking points were no different between 6MT and DCT E90's on the same track. And if I were to swap my manual GT3 for a PDK, my braking would be no different through some of the most treacherous brake zones on the planet. If that's the case for me, it's definitely the case for a pro.

Your understanding/thought process is just off on this. In a brake zone you're not judging downshifting points, you're working to find the braking limit and simply complete all required downshifts in the braking timeframe, prior to corner entry. The downshifts are almost an afterthought -- the timing, speed, cadence, sequencing (skipping gears or not) of those downshifts are irrelevant provided you maintain maximum braking throughout the process.

Here's telemetry illustrating brake zones with multiple downshifts. The first drop is a brake zone with manual downshifts 5th to 2nd (I'm catching every gear on the way down). You'll spot the manual upshifts on telemetry, but not the downshifts.



PDK/DCT/auto gains time on upshifts and rare sections of track where the auto will quickly "bounce" up and down the gearbox for absolute powerband maximization, where the manual has to pick a gear.

This amounts to tenths of an advantage per lap on most tracks.

Back to the topic at hand, that's one fast beaver. If the base manual M4 Coupe was instead equipped with an auto box, it would work to close the 6/10ths gap to the manual GT4 around Hockenheim GP, but probably wouldn't be faster. Based upon the manual vs. auto math being suggested in some of your posts and others, the implication is that an auto base M4 Coupe would be meaningfully faster than the manual GT4.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Your understanding/thought process is just off on this. In a brake zone you're not judging downshifting points, you're working to find the braking limit and simply complete all required downshifts in the braking timeframe, prior to corner entry. The downshifts are almost an afterthought -- the timing, speed, cadence, sequencing (skipping gears or not) of those downshifts are irrelevant provided you maintain maximum braking throughout the process.

The only situation I can imagine where timing of multiple downshifts might be a factor is if you had a turbo engine with relatively high boost and you were wanting to avoid letting the revs drop below some threshold during braking.

If you waited til the last minute to do a 5->2 downshift then your revs and boost may have dropped.

If you did 3 perfectly rev-matched downshifts as early as possible then you keep the revs high.


...but maybe that doesn't matter a whole lot most of the time with a modern turbo engine?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I loved it. The subtlety of the metallic is nice. It's the one non-individual color that has constantly resonated with me. It does look like Silverstone and Hockenheim had a baby. Lol!

Hate for the car itself aside, how do you guys think a Brooklyn Gray car would look with the Yas Marina Blue/yellow/black full leather interior with the CF buckets? I've had Silverstone interior in my last two M4's, Palladium Silver in two of three E9X's (...black in the third E9X), Imola Red and Speed Cloth in my two E46 M3's. If I get the beaver, I want the exterior/interior combo to pop.

No black is the only way to go to hide that ugly face. Sorry about the general hate but Brooklyn grey just accentuates the pig face.

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by dmk08

No black is the only way to go to hide that ugly face. Sorry about the general hate but Brooklyn grey just accentuates the pig face.

Either way, its like putting lipstick on a pig. Does it really matter what color? lol

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Either way, its like putting lipstick on a pig. Does it really matter what color? lol

Yes. Lol! Red lipstick on a pig looks far worse than nude lipstick on a pig.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yes. Lol! Red lipstick on a pig looks far worse than nude lipstick on a pig.

I gotta agree with you on this one



The other color scheme they ran with the black/blue openings was much more palatable