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11-20-2015, 01:17 PM | #23 | |
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Also, should be <$20K for an engine. Still a heart-stopping amount. But I'd be looking into realistic options to pay/finance the $20K as a worst-case scenario. Maybe BMW will cut you a break and split the engine cost with you, if you play your cards right. $10K is painful on many levels, but it sounds like there's a high probability you share some of the blame for this situation. |
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There is no way any auto manufacturer would ever lose a class action law suit over customers doing money shifts. That is NOT covered by any warranty.
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Even if you aren't the type to use the V-card and your pride makes it tough to swallow, you should utilize any means available to you to make this situation right. If I were in your situation, I'd forget about my pride and ignore the critics so I could drive my M again. $40,000 out of pocket for an engine is an immense expense. HOWEVER If you indeed DID NOT over-rev the engine as you say, I encourage you to seek any remedy you can. If you did money shift and want to pass the blame off on BMWNA, you need to accept responsibility and pay for a new engine or face reality and buy a different car. Don't disrespect BMW or your fellow forum members with lies or a need for attention. Be honest and act like an adult.
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I feel for him with a $75k brick, but when you try to be dishonest with us forum members and angry at BMW, that irks me. Also, playing a veteran card when this has nothing to do with military service also irks me. |
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I mean if the engine was over revved it was over revved... I can certainly sympathize that this is a new car but I have no idea how this would be bmw's fault, how being a veteran is related and how a 40k engine has to do w anything when its a near 80k car? I mean it has to be understood parts are expensive on an expensive car... I certainly hope you get this resolved and back to enjoying the car but just reading this, I am misunderstanding how anything is in your favor... already numerous people have done this and been in this situation all through their own fault.
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Just to clear some things up...
1) One overrev, depending on the RPM you overrevved to, can destroy your motor (in response to the someone saying one over rev shouldn't do it 2) A PROPERLY working 6MT revmatch feature does not BLIP up on an UP shift. The only time it blips up is when you delay your clutch foot from coming up in time before the RPMS should've dropped below the RPM to be revmatched. I.E. going from 1-2, you shifted at 3k, you were slow with your clutch foot release in next gear, RPMS should've dropped to 500pm, but it revmatches and blips to 2k in 2nd for you to execute a smooth shift 3) The rev limiter has nothing to do with over rev cases involving a mis shift.. it is a physical misshift not a throttle induced overrev. I.E. You tried to shift from 3rd to 4th at 7500rpm in 3rd, accidentally jammed it into second and released clutch; car went to 8500-9k rpms. I don't see how you could get warranty to cover this, unless you have a SA that is extremely extremely kind.. even then.. i don't think so; to me it is no different than you crashing the car. To the OP you need to find out if they logged an actual over rev and the RPM in order for you to fight it, or not fight it. If you money shifted and it's logged, it'll be a hard case to fight.. as with any manual car bought at any dealership / car brand. Many people think this car should be able to take misshifts - the car is a boosted high performance motor with strict tolerances, with a set rev limiter - to think that this motor can take a misshift at redline into a lower gear blows my mind (no pun intended) Last edited by JamesGames; 11-20-2015 at 02:27 PM.. |
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Why is it these posts always lack the evidence? Either provide the proof from the dealer that that say you did or did not money shift. No one is going to get up in arms over here-say.
Tacky pulling the veteran card too. Last edited by TheDiddy; 11-20-2015 at 02:54 PM.. |
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As a new owner of a manual m3 this whole thread is making me nervous. Why doesn't the transmission have a mechanism that would prevent you from shifting into a gear that would blow the engine. They gave us rev matching but not this?
I wasn't able to shift into the second gear of my 1998 mustang at speeds of more than 70mph even when I tried.
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So you money shifted, and just because your a "veteran"
BMW NA should just cover the new motor under warranty........ Makes perfect sense.
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However, it's possible to physically grab a wrong (lower) gear (6MT required), and use wheels momentum to accelerate the engine beyond the maximum safe RPM speed where valves start to float. Aka the money shift. Quote:
DCT will not engage a lower gear that would produce an over-rev, until the car slows down to the point where over-rev is avoided. a
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No one answered my question so here it is again
So interesting question on the money shift topic.....If you are in Efficient or Spot plus, notice how the car rev matches just before you are downshifting into the intended gear. Happens pretty fast. Am wondering if you were to accidentally money shift from say 3rd or 5th to 2nd, would the car over rev even before you go into second and let the clutch out because that's what you are trying to do (auto rev feature enabled)....go into second. Or it would protect against that and you would really have to be in 2nd and let go off the clutch to over rev and cause the money shift. Hope that made sense. Am guessing it will not over rev because there is no momentum involved from the wheels.
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seriously. there are currently no manual trannys that exist that can prevent you from over rev'ing the engine with a money shift. it is physically impossible. the gears are set by you. you shoved it into a wrong gear, engine fuel gets cut, but the engine is spinning because you released the clutch and now it is toast. valves are bent. etc. manuals are exactly that... you shifted yourself. you let go of the clutch and now you live with the consequences. it baffles me that people don't understand this. it is the sole reason i would never buy a used manual car.
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Thanks for you help. I think I have earned the right to ask for help as a veterans. I'm asking for advice from a veteran friendly lawyer that help me build my case with BMW. I have serve this country for 16 years with multiple deployments to the middle east, years away form my family, one divorce and the kids living on a different state. So dont tell I dont have the right to ask for help and mention that I'm A VETERAN. They ask you went you apply for a loan, went you filled a BBB complain. SO ITS MY RIGHT TO SAY THAT IM ONE AND LOOKING FOR ADVICE. |
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