F8X M3/M4 Competition Package?

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by 03///m3

This is exactly what i would like to see as well as i plan on ordering a 16' and hope there is a ZCP pack available. Perhaps the only other addition to the ZCP i would like to see is the option of alcantara interior and steering wheel (i know its available through M performance parts) as standard.

I'm in the same boat. I've been saving up and will be ready by July/August to pull the trigger on a 16' ED and was hoping for the ZCP to be available. I do not want to wait beyond that. Let's hope Scott can give us some good news.

[dmk08]

If they do release ZCP I hope it doesn't have 20s...

[gthal]

Originally Posted by dmk08

If they do release ZCP I hope it doesn't have 20s...

I can't imagine they would do that... 20's are for show and the ZCP is for track focused performance

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by gthal

I can't imagine they would do that... 20's are for show and the ZCP is for track focused performance

Yeah they did it on the M5 and my CA seems to think they will do it on the M3/M4. Lets hope he's wrong!

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah they did it on the M5 and my CA seems to think they will do it on the M3/M4. Lets hope he's wrong!

I hope your CA is wrong. I would hate 20" wheels but the GTS is getting 20s so there is a chance. I would prefer if the wheels remained 19s and employed the new weight saving tech BBS is currently using. If I'm not mistaken BBS is BMW wheel supplier.

[03///m3]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

I hope your CA is wrong. I would hate 20" wheels but the GTS is getting 20s so there is a chance. I would prefer if the wheels remained 19s and employed the new weight saving tech BBS is currently using. If I'm not mistaken BBS is BMW wheel supplier.

Same here. I would prefer 18's but i know that's not going to happen so i'm going to hope for 19's.

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by 03///m3

Same here. I would prefer 18's but i know that's not going to happen. It would actually be great if the ZCP pack didn't include wheels (i know this has never happened in the past) and you could select either the 19 or 18's.

As long as we can get a black wheel option I will be happy.

[03///m3]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

As long as we can get a black wheel option I will be happy.

Once again i completely agree with you. I would love a set of black wheels even similar to the black ZCP's i have on my E92 would look great.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

I hope your CA is wrong. I would hate 20" wheels but the GTS is getting 20s so there is a chance. I would prefer if the wheels remained 19s and employed the new weight saving tech BBS is currently using. If I'm not mistaken BBS is BMW wheel supplier.

I believe the 437M are made by Fuchs.

If I were buying a new M and the ZCP included 20s I would pass on the package all together.

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I believe the 437M are made by Fuchs.

If I were buying a new M and the ZCP included 20s I would pass on the package all together.

I was not aware of that. So both Fuchs and BBS supply BMW?

[W///]

Originally Posted by gthal

I can't imagine they would do that... 20's are for show and the ZCP is for track focused performance

Which is why I was kind of shocked the GT4 comes with 20" wheels. Looks great, but boy that would get expensive real quick at the track.

Originally Posted by dmk08

I believe the 437M are made by Fuchs.

If I were buying a new M and the ZCP included 20s I would pass on the package all together.

If ZCP includes 20" wheels, I'd still get it depending on what it includes. If it's just a slight drop like the E9x, then I don't care. But if we are talking something more substantial, it would be hard for me to ignore.

I'd then sell the 20s for a set of 19s. Having said that, I don't see any reason to go 20. It's not like they need it for brake clearance or something.

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by W///

Which is why I was kind of shocked the GT4 comes with 20" wheels. Looks great, but boy that would get expensive real quick at the track.

If ZCP includes 20" wheels, I'd still get it depending on what it includes. If it's just a slight drop like the E9x, then I don't care. But if we are talking something more substantial, it would be hard for me to ignore.

I'd then sell the 20s for a set of 19s. Having said that, I don't see any reason to go 20. It's not like they need it for brake clearance or something.

I'm hoping that the 20's on the GTS are for differentiation only just like the OLEDs and laser headlights. Maybe the GTS is getting larger brakes requiring larger wheels.

[ChrisK]

After having 359M ZCP wheels on my e92 - I wouldn't take them again if they were free and included 30hp. They are the worst wheels to keep clean.

my 2 cents.

[JTO24]

With the F1x M5 and M6 you can opt for the non-ZCP wheels when you select ZCP. I know historically the regular wheels are forged and the ZCP wheels cast, or maybe flow-formed.

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by JTO24

With the F1x M5 and M6 you can opt for the non-ZCP wheels when you select ZCP. I know historically the regular wheels are forged and the ZCP wheels cast, or maybe flow-formed.

Depending on the options that may be the way to go

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

I hope your CA is wrong. I would hate 20" wheels but the GTS is getting 20s so there is a chance. I would prefer if the wheels remained 19s and employed the new weight saving tech BBS is currently using. If I'm not mistaken BBS is BMW wheel supplier.

Really guys, what's up with this negativity against 20s? The difference in trackability is hardly on a level that will make a difference for any of us. ( Sorry Karusell ).

A few cars that does decent on a track that comes with 20s:
- Porsche 991 GT3
- Ferrari 458 speciale.
- Nissan GTR track edition.

I realize that it's due to clearing the brakes but if the wheel size really did much of a difference these car would come with 19s and slightly smaller brakes.

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by solstice

Really guys, what's up with this negativity against 20s? The difference in trackability is hardly on a level that will make a difference for any of us. ( Sorry Karusell ).

A few cars that does decent on a track that comes with 20s:
- Porsche 991 GT3
- Ferrari 458 speciale.
- Nissan GTR track edition.

I realize that it's due to clearing the brakes but if the wheel size really did much of a difference these car would come with 19s and slightly smaller brakes.

I can't comment on the other two, but the 991 GT3 can clear both the steel and optional PCCBs with 19" wheels. Not sure why they went with 20s and it does not at all keep me from getting on the .2 list, but I do think the 19" wheel is the perfect size for the F8x.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Carl L

I can't comment on the other two, but the 991 GT3 can clear both the steel and optional PCCBs with 19" wheels. Not sure why they went with 20s and it does not at all keep me from getting on the .2 list, but I do think the 19" wheel is the perfect size for the F8x.

Visually for the standard car I agree but 20s aren't bad and with likely more aggressive aero pieces on the GTS ( large wing ) I think it will look great and balanced.

Regarding why they went with 20s on the GT3 I would think there are advantages with less rubber as well where a wheel is less susceptible to changing shape than a tire as speed and temperature varies and provide less risk of dynamic imbalances/vibrations.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by solstice

Really guys, what's up with this negativity against 20s? The difference in trackability is hardly on a level that will make a difference for any of us. ( Sorry Karusell ).

A few cars that does decent on a track that comes with 20s:
- Porsche 991 GT3
- Ferrari 458 speciale.
- Nissan GTR track edition.

I realize that it's due to clearing the brakes but if the wheel size really did much of a difference these car would come with 19s and slightly smaller brakes.

It's about tire choice and operating cost. It is awfully tough finding track tires for 20" wheels and the PSS on the M cars aren't really suited for the track. When you do find 20" track rubber, it is EXPENSIVE! Also, 20" wheels will likely weigh more.

I think the point is that 20" wheels are largely aesthetic and not at all needed for function as long as 19" wheels clear the brakes. Most people will opt for 18" track wheels for similar reasons.

The bottom line is it won't matter... if the ZCP has 20" wheels, most track people will end up buying 18/19" track wheels anyway so it likely not a big deal. For very casual track people, they won't care what tires/wheels they are running

Regardless as to whether others use 20" wheels (Corvettes have them too), the reality is 20" wheels are largely for show. Smaller wheels are for go.

[solstice]

"Smaller wheels are for go".

I guess it's some comfort to know that when you are getting smoked by mentioned cars on 20s ( including the GTS ) while sporting 18s

[gthal]

Originally Posted by solstice

"Smaller wheels are for go".

I guess it's some comfort to know that when you are getting smoked by mentioned cars on 20s ( including the GTS ) while sporting 18s

I didn't say larger wheels can't "go" too

What I said was that 20's are not practical wheels for track duty assuming smaller wheels clear brakes. That does not mean a 20" track tire isn't as fast as its 18" brother. If you can find a 20" suitable track tire and don't mind paying 50%+ more than its 18" sibling, then fill your boots. When you are replacing track tires 1, 2 or more times a season, that gets hard to swallow.

The point, IMO, is that larger wheels are used because they look nice primarily and NOT because they are better for performance driving.

You like 20's I take it

[solstice]

Originally Posted by gthal

I didn't say larger wheels can't "go" too

What I said was that 20's are not practical wheels for track duty assuming smaller wheels clear brakes. That does not mean a 20" track tire isn't as fast as its 18" brother. If you can find a 20" suitable track tire and don't mind paying 50%+ more than its 18" sibling, then fill your boots. When you are replacing track tires 1, 2 or more times a season, that gets hard to swallow.

The point, IMO, is that larger wheels are used because they look nice primarily and NOT because they are better for performance driving.

You like 20's I take it

I like 18s as well and I understand and agree with the reasons you argue for them. What I don't understand is the hostility towards the thought that the GTS and/or ZCP will come with 20s. They will look great and you get a more expensive, more visually pleasing set for the street. If the bill to run it on the track with 20s is to much to swallow by all means go with a cheaper option but that's not really relevant to what is the desirable set to deliver the car with or how it performs with said wheel size.