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People crave that sound (including me) and the new M3 will never get that using a 6-cyl, that's the choice they made, good for them. They just didn't factor in how much sound is important to car enthusiasts. Heck, the current stock exhaust is horribly quiet, shows how much they care about sound. Too bad all it's competitors are making larger, more powerful V8s but BMW choses to aim at clients that wouldn't buy because of its average fuel efficiency. The M-line is already losing its race enthusiasts. This is a sports/race car for god's sake. I guess they're after money, it's a shame. You'll never ever ever ever get that S65 high-pitched growl/roar from ANY 6 cylinder engine whether it boasts 300hp of 500hp. I was looking forward to a V8 M model, I guess I'll stick to the E92 for my next car. |
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I think you're completely misunderstanding all the comments. Some people are saying they will NOT buy the new M3\M4 based off of the exhaust note on the "Prototype." Others are commenting on that saying, it's petty to not buy a car just based off an exhaust note (especially on a prototype) but if that's a deal breaker for you, so be it - with respect. I'm also saying, people "change" their exhaust anyway (stating the obvious). NO ONE said changing the exhaust on the new car will make it sound like the a V8. Keep up sir!
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I understood what you meant, sorry if I exagerated your comment. No worries! I feel BMW needs to rethink their strategy here, they're really ignoring sound. To me and a lot of people on this forum, sound is extremely important. Think of it this way, people spend more than $2K just for better sound, why wouldn't BMW factor in sound when they make their damn decisions? Look at how any stock AMG car sounds like.. |
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Well, there is the new M5 and M6.
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Will be very interesting to see the E9x vs F8x comparisons, not just in terms of performance stats (where the F8x will be superior) but overall feel and driver connectivity to the road. We're seeing some interesting/unprecedented conclusions on some of the new models vs the prior versions and vis-a-vis the competition (e.g., C&D saying they'd take the old 335i, M5s finishing last vs competition, numerous complaints of feeling less connected w/ the road). Turbo-charging is essentially imposed by restriction/regulation rather than by BMW M's choice, so while we're lucky to still have M-cars going forward, they will be tougher to perfect, particularly with the characteristics of forced induction engines and larger cars (which hopefully will start weighing less).
For those who say the M5 is so much better vs. the old version, think the conclusion would be very different if the DCT had made it into the E60 M5. |
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And if the F80, besides having better fuel mileage, also handles better, accelerates faster and is lighter and more nimble, I can't see many who'd be interested in collecting an old gas guzzler that's inferior in all respects except for sound. |
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Also the emotion, purity and spontaneous response of a high-revving V8 with lovely induction sound may be of greater importance to some than the benefits of increase power and torque that a turbo engine will provide. All these stats about numbers, are just that numbers. The key things are how does the car drive and how does it make you feel? People keep posting about the loudness of the exhaust. It's a little bit about volume but the type of noise - a cacophony of sound in tandem with induction, is much more important. That cannot be changed by bolting on a different backbox. If BMW M can engineer good steering feedback and improve the induction and exhaust noise so that it has 'soul', I'm sure the car will be a winner for people that care about driving. I just hope that it's fun to drive at low speeds as well as high speed. |
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I know you look aggressive and all, but if your steering is anything like the new M5, then am sorry to say that I would stick with my E90 M3 and 1M. Unfortunately, The new F10 M5 steering felt more like a Mercedes than a BMW and when in Sport+ mode, I need to have Popeye hands to steer. Please, Keep the steering pure. I don't mind the sound as long as the steering feel is good. This just makes me think of a storage space for my future collector car, the E90 M3. |
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I just noticed you have an E90 M3, two E30 M3's, a 1M, and a Boss 302. Nice collection there!
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I wasn't that much into sound until I had my 987S. The sound was awesome. It went from a nice deep rumble at low rpm's, to a nice sporty sound mid range to a great top-end shriek - bone stock. No 6-cylinder soudns better than a GT3, but the vanilla Boxster S was pretty great.
The E90 M3 was intoxicating at the top-end and still nice enough down low. I want my car to sound great. I'm not buying it primarily to get good track lap times or beat other cars at the drag strip. In the end, like most, I will use less than 50% of the car's potential most of the time. I want my premium performance car to feel special doing even mundane things. The Boxster did that and a big part was the great sound behind me. If my car won't sound good and I have to take solace on having extra power beyond a 335i than I can seldom touch in day to day driving, I'll put my money into a real sportscar, even if it's used and I only drive it sometimes. I have an M-Sport 328iT and it is a great daily car. Actually, beyond only occasionally wanting more power, the big downer is that it's too damn quiet. I'm hoping to shoehorn 2 or 3 kids into an F80, but if I can't get the whole experience, I rather drive the GL everyday to drop off the kids at daycare and get a used Boxster or 911 as a sportscar. When I almost bought an E90 M3, the big draw of the M3 over a regular 3er was the exotic-sounding V8 that could rev to the sky. I'm willing trade the 8500 rpm redline for massive low-end torque, but I will not compromise on having an engine/exhaust note commensurate with a $70k performace car. My opinion, of course. |
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