Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

I won't read Auto Bild's reviews on Hyundais or the latest boring EVs anymore, but I will instead watch a German shop rebuild an S85 V10.

I'd say I am interested in the automotive industry the same as before, it's just that my enthusiasm has become more focused and niche.

But I think it's very unfair to say that such and such BMW model has made me lose interest in the brand. There are a plethora of older BMWs to be excited about.

I guess that’s true.
Im more interested in 80-90-00 cars nowadays.
Love me some old muscle cars or old Germans

[icegrill]

Man, I’m just kind of bummed about the whole sports car market right now.

Cliff notes: First of the year, realized I could finally buy a 911 responsibly. Got put on some ‘waitlists’, I thought supply would ease a little but seems to be worse if anything. Looked at a super clean used 992, got a lowball, insulting, trade value on my m3 from the dealer. 992 sold the next day.

So I decided to sell my m3 to be in a better position, when and if the right 911 comes along. Sold my m3 locally in two days. Miss the idea of the car but I wasn’t even driving it.

Now I’m seriously looking for a preowned 992 and it’s pretty rough out there. Local options are overpriced and a little sus in their origin. California has some potential, but theres the problem of trusting the condition of the cars. I’m shocked at the number of cars not protected with ppf on the front and quarters. These cars get pretty hammered with road rash on the lower quarters.

Thanks for listening to my first world concerns

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

I guess that’s true.
Im more interested in 80-90-00 cars nowadays.
Love me some old muscle cars or old Germans

the 2000s are peak car era

D2 S8
B5 RS 4
996 GT2
"55" Kompressor Benzes
all the BMWs except E46 compact
Murcielago
550 Maranello
360 Stradale
NSX

I could go on and on

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by icegrill

So I decided to sell my m3 to be in a better position

This, exactly. Sorry you missed out on that 992. But now that you don't have a trade to muddy the transaction waters you are ready to pounce on the right car. I think the P-market will declutter quite a bit as 2023 moves along. Main issue I think is people looking for the GT cars in the past 2 years who were unable to get [or "pay" for] an allocation diverted to the 718s and 911s for "goodwill."

I had a deposit down for 2.5 years on a 992 GT3 allocation only to have that same dealer max spec all their own cars in ridiculous colors and put them in the showroom at 100K over then notify us on "the list" that they had a car available...took my money back and in the meantime realized the one I have isn't going anywhere, I love it, why "upgrade"? That particular dealer is dead to me...at least have the courtesy of asking if I'd *like* to pay 100K over and spec it myself (that would be an "oh eff no" BTW so guess they did us a favor)...and now look at all of them getting flipped...and starting to flop.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by icegrill

Thanks for listening to my first world concerns

icegrill you've probably found this but Porsche maintains a nationwide used car finder. I set my search criteria and checked it religiously when I was looking for mine, deposit down on mine within a day of it going up on that site.

https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by icegrill

Man, I’m just kind of bummed about the whole sports car market right now.

Cliff notes: First of the year, realized I could finally buy a 911 responsibly. Got put on some ‘waitlists’, I thought supply would ease a little but seems to be worse if anything. Looked at a super clean used 992, got a lowball, insulting, trade value on my m3 from the dealer. 992 sold the next day.

So I decided to sell my m3 to be in a better position, when and if the right 911 comes along. Sold my m3 locally in two days. Miss the idea of the car but I wasn’t even driving it.

Now I’m seriously looking for a preowned 992 and it’s pretty rough out there. Local options are overpriced and a little sus in their origin. California has some potential, but theres the problem of trusting the condition of the cars. I’m shocked at the number of cars not protected with ppf on the front and quarters. These cars get pretty hammered with road rash on the lower quarters.

Thanks for listening to my first world concerns

I’m not a fan of PPF honestly, but my driving behavior is such that I don’t have issues with peppered front bumpers and quarter panels. Just ask the Bimmerpost member who bought my non-PPF’d, 4 year old M4 last year. I briefly considered applying PPF to my 992, but nearly a year later I don’t have a single rock chip. I figured it’s just not worth it for me.

[GrussGott]

Nice run-through of Matt's 992 GT3 w/ Exclusive paint & interior

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

my driving behavior is such that I don’t have issues with peppered front bumpers and quarter panels.

yeah, after 4 trips up and down the west coast including all the way up to Whistler twice my X5's front end has 2 tiny chips which I can have patched for $25.

That said, the lower front door panels behind the front tires are rashed and I'd have probably PPF'd that spot, especially with the sticky summer tires. My NorCal body shop will fix it for ~$1200, but it's not super noticeable so I'm gonna wait probably another year.

I don't find multi-year ceramic worth it either as I"m just gonna polish it off after 18 months and there's functionally no difference between resin-based ceramics or water-based Turtle wax Seal-n-Shine, but I did do my wheels in Car Pro DLux + Gliss and that's a pretty good set up. Great for the exhaust tips too as DLux can handle the heat.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I’m not a fan of PPF honestly, but my driving behavior is such that I don’t have issues with peppered front bumpers and quarter panels. Just ask the Bimmerpost member who bought my non-PPF’d, 4 year old M4 last year. I briefly considered applying PPF to my 992, but nearly a year later I don’t have a single rock chip. I figured it’s just not worth it for me.

After having PPF on my M3, I will never go without it again. Especially on a car with metallic paint. It has saved my front end two different times. One of those times would've required a entire respray of the front of the car (UDOT just put down a "high-friction surface" on some of the turns on the interstate and the initial install didn't adhere quite fully).

$2k is cheap insurance

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by Jockey

After having PPF on my M3, I will never go without it again. Especially on a car with metallic paint. It has saved my front end two different times. One of those times would've required a entire respray of the front of the car (UDOT just put down a "high-friction surface" on some of the turns on the interstate and the initial install didn't adhere quite fully).

$2k is cheap insurance

I have PPF on any car I care about. I know myself and the rock chips would bother me too much. I even put Exoshield on the Porsche. The only exception is the M3 CS because I knew I wouldn't have it very long, and I didn't. It lasted ~6 months before I got rid of it.Different strokes for different folks.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Jockey

After having PPF on my M3, I will never go without it again. Especially on a car with metallic paint. It has saved my front end two different times. One of those times would've required a entire respray of the front of the car (UDOT just put down a "high-friction surface" on some of the turns on the interstate and the initial install didn't adhere quite fully).

$2k is cheap insurance

Speaking of insurance, wouldn't comprehensive have covered that?

For me PPF is for that small case where the damage isn't so bad that comp covers it (like a bolt hits you on the freeway), but just bad enough to cause a small paint chip.

I guess I look at paint as a consumable like tires; one way or another imma use it up in 3-4 years

[Multimodal]

PPF for $2K makes sense. I've gotten quotes 2x-3x that. When PPF costs $6K - the same as a respray - I really question it.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

PPF for $2K makes sense. I've gotten quotes 2x-3x that. When PPF costs $6K - the same as a respray - I really question it.

As an FYI, Autobahn in Mountain View (right behind MTV BMW!) gave me a quote for the front-end of my X5 for ~$1600 about 1 year ago in case you need it. I've gone to them for 10 years and they do FANTASTIC work, and I've had them do individual paint including Moonstone.

I had a Bay Area super duper fancy supercars shop assess my paint after than work and they couldn't find it. Told they've never seen a car where they couldn't find paintwork done ... but maybe of course they'd say that?

Anyway, I sure couldn't tell!!

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Speaking of insurance, wouldn't comprehensive have covered that?

For me PPF is for that small case where the damage isn't so bad that comp covers it (like a bolt hits you on the freeway), but just bad enough to cause a small paint chip.

I guess I look at paint as a consumable like tires; one way or another imma use it up in 3-4 years

I filed a claim with the contractor UDOT used to lay down the surface and got $3k in damages ($2k to replace the PPF and $1k for a new windshield).

A respray would've cost close to $6k and in my experience, very rarely does the paint match exactly when dealing with metallic paints.

[doug_999]

Count me in the no PPF please club. I don't drive enough and the roads are not bad enough to make it worth my while (knock on wood right now).

I did do the high end ceramic (Modesta) on my 992 and kind of regret that too. Get a scratch that can easily be buffed out - and you can't - that stuff is hard man

But, I get that where you live makes all the difference. I just got back from the Palm Springs area where I would definitely get PPF (the sand storms are real!) and my GOD, without front axle lift on your 992 you are a dead man (the culverts are real!). But here in Chicago the FAL is not needed!

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I just got back from the Palm Springs area where I would definitely get PPF (the sand storms are real!)

Yeah there are some great use cases for ppf like
* Snow/sand states with lots of freeway diving
* Living on unpaved roads
* Monthly Track & HPDEs

[swagon]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Nice run-through of Matt's 992 GT3 w/ Exclusive paint & interior

Jesus, reading his thread on G80post was a waste of time

[swagon]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Yeah there are some great use cases for ppf like
* Snow/sand states with lots of freeway diving
* Living on unpaved roads
* Monthly Track & HPDEs

I have full frontal PPF and larger rear quarter panel PPF. The installer didn't do a great job and the film itself is hot garbage, even more so now that it's old and starting to yellow.

I should've PPF'd the side skirts and the roof... stupid me.

But the clear bra on the front clip has definitely saved my paint a few times and I don't feel as bad when cleaning rubber marks from the track and dead bugs.

Although getting rid of dead insect is a breeze with the combination of ceramic coating and a good pre-wash snow foam.

I wouldn't bother with full-car PPF. I don't get the obsession with it. Especially when people won't do anything to the underside of the car (in salty countries).

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by swagon

Although getting rid of dead insect is a breeze with the combination of ceramic coating and a good pre-wash snow foam.

Yeah just last night I did a full prewash foam & rinse, then pulled it into the garage and sprayed it down with Rinseless for my normal wash

Always amazed at how much road film & dirt the prewash takes off, plus it's just fun to do

[cotmfk]

I'm thinking of taking a PPF class. As people have mentioned, it's around $2k for the front end alone... more like $5k+ for the whole car (at least quotes I have received or heard about). Take a class... be able to fire it out in a weekend... awesome. Plus you always have a back up career! LOL

[icegrill]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

I'm thinking of taking a PPF class. As people have mentioned, it's around $2k for the front end alone... more like $5k+ for the whole car (at least quotes I have received or heard about). Take a class... be able to fire it out in a weekend... awesome. Plus you always have a back up career! LOL

I’ve dabbled in xpel self application on some small areas and it’s definitely an acquired skill. It took me two sets of film to perfectly wrap the cf mirror caps on m3! I also did the interior kit on my polestar which was pretty flawless. The key is the slip solution and squeegeeing correctly to get just enough “stretch”.

[Humdizzle]

Car and Driver just published their 16th lightning lap test from VIR:


https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2023/


3:11.6 2022 Subaru WRX (Manual)
3:11.4 2022 VW Golf GTI (Manual)
3:07.3 2022 Hyundai Elantra N (Manual)
3:06.1 2022 Hyundai Kona N
3:04.7 2022 BMW i4 M50
3:00.6 2022 BMW M240i xDrive
2:59.6 2023 Toyota GR Corolla Morizo Edition (Manual) *R
2:58.8 2023 Honda Civic Type R (Manual) *R
2:55.6 2023 Toyota Supra 3.0 (Manual)
2:54.6 2023 Cadillac CT-4 Blackwing
2:52.6 2022 Mercedes AMG SL63
2:52.5 2022 Audi RS3 *R (<-- optional Trofeo R tires. 3:01.9 with pirelli P-zero summer tires)
2:47.5 2023 BMW M4 CSL *R
2:43.9 2023 Lamborghini Huracan Tecnica *R
2:40.5 2022 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS *R
2:38.6 2023 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 *R
3:39.1 Kia Carnival
3:54.1. Kia Carnival with 6 passengers

*R denotes anything with tires better than a PS4S.