Need a good Street/Track brake pad

[Juras]

Thanks for the input. I was considering that however I thought:

1) If M2C can handle the weight of 400mm then a tad heavier F82 should too? Also - Giro is supposedly lighter than OEM. Roughly ~8.7kg heavier with Giro 400mm and larger calipers than the 380mm OEM setup. All unsprung and +/- 3.4kg rotating.
2) When I saw this picture on another M forum, it got me thinking:


The larger one is from C63 AMG and the smaller one is from 4 piston F82. Huge difference. And the 6 piston bmw pad is still slightly larger than AMG. Wouldn't this significantly translate into better heat resistance? Arent 4 pot calipers simply from M Performance F30? Makes me wonder where are their limits with 560HP F82, going soon sub 600.

That aside, I was also looking into this one, very similar price level as full 400mm M2C conversion: https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/prod...petition-m3-m4 No idea about the weight though.

Even for spirited street driving I guess the upgraded 380mm discs and pads with standard 4 pistons would suffice. Yet spirited highway driving is sometimes, depending on the traffic, a whole different story. Often with multiple heavy breakings from 250-300kmh ranges down do 100-140kmh ranges (some of the neighbouring German autobahns still do not have any speed limits). And I need a confidence inspiring set that will have a good buffer before overheating.

Any thoughts on this?

[TSL]

Originally Posted by slcook54

I'd advise against using ds1.11 on the street. Mine sound like a garbage truck on my AP kit on the E92. DS2500 is the better option but still isn't a true track pad, you'll eat through it quickly on the track but better lasting that OEM pads.

Originally Posted by Tommix

Damn, I really liked those Bluestuffs. Anyway the DS2500 brake pads are already on the garage table
Well, I’ll share my experiences with the DS2500 when I’ve been on track.
And I use OE brake disks.

Considering new pads, any update?

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by TSL

Considering new pads, any update?

What type of pad are you looking for? DD street, performance street, hybrid or dedicated track pads? Are you looking for low noise and/or reduced brake dust compared to oem? One of the pads you quoted is a true track pad (ds1.11) and the other two are so-called hybrid performance street-light track usage pads (ds2500, bluestuff).

[Tommix]

Originally Posted by TSL

Considering new pads, any update?

Now I have experience with both DS2500 and EBC Bluestuff brake pads on the street and track use (OEM discks). Both work well for me both in cold conditions on the street and in hard track driving.

The first choice for me is Bluestuff, they just perform slightly better on the track than the DS2500.

[TSL]

Originally Posted by M3SQRD

What type of pad are you looking for? DD street, performance street, hybrid or dedicated track pads? Are you looking for low noise and/or reduced brake dust compared to oem? One of the pads you quoted is a true track pad (ds1.11) and the other two are so-called hybrid performance street-light track usage pads (ds2500, bluestuff).

Looking for ultimate street performance/hybrid. I drive the car hard, and it’ll see one or two track days a year max. I don’t mind tons of dust or noisy pads, as long as I’m getting solid performance out of them on a daily basis. Currently on Ferodo DS2500’s. I like a pad with a strong initial bite.

[TSL]

Originally Posted by Tommix

Now I have experience with both DS2500 and EBC Bluestuff brake pads on the street and track use (OEM discks). Both work well for me both in cold conditions on the street and in hard track driving.

The first choice for me is Bluestuff, they just perform slightly better on the track than the DS2500.

How is EBC Bluestuff on a daily basis for you?

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by TSL

Looking for ultimate street performance/hybrid. I drive the car hard, and it’ll see one or two track days a year max. I don’t mind tons of dust or noisy pads, as long as I’m getting solid performance out of them on a daily basis. Currently on Ferodo DS2500’s. I like a pad with a strong initial bite.

The Cobalt XR4 is a nice performance street pad + some track usage. The XR4 is a similar hybrid pad like the DS2500 but with a slight edge in performance. Nice initial bite and consistent friction coefficient thru the braking event (stable friction coefficient with temperature rise). I’ve used both the XR4 and DS2500 on the street in an AP Racing brake kit on my f82. If you don’t mind noise and dust, you could try the XR3 compound although it may lack a little bite for the first stop or two but after that it’s a nice step up from the XR4 and DS2500. For a more track biased pad, I’d recommend PFC 08 and 11, Carbotech XP12 and XP20, or Cobalt XR2 and XR1. I have no experience with EBC pads.

[Tommix]

Originally Posted by TSL

How is EBC Bluestuff on a daily basis for you?

I have use Bluestffs two cars, first my ex BMW M135 and now my M4.
IMO Benefits on the street:
- Brakes bite well immediately even cold/wet conditions
- Predictable when braking
- They don't squeaking or make any other noise
- They don't make lot of dust the rims
- The price/quality ratio is good
- Very durable

edit:
Here they are waiting for spring...

[Juras]

Ferodo DS3.12 - grab from the start, they are track pads but if you don't mind a bit of squeal will be ok for the street. If they dust more than street pads it's a bit more. They don't squeal all that bad (I have heard DS1.11 are worse here) but I'd still want to try DS2500 to see if they won't do the street job well enough with less or no squeal. The upside is you can't kill the DS3.12 on the road, you simply can't. I haven't tracked them but I was braking emergency style, like 15 times in a row without cooling down and rapidly accelerating back to the speed on an empty highway from 220-70km/h and there was no fade at all. OEM blue calipers + Girodiscs + HEL + RBF700.


They will outperform any other Ferodo pads.