STOP!!! Let's Talk About Brakes ;-P

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by b_w.

I pushed them on that before ordering the gtmore kit. I was told that the arms suck the hub in so far that with regular camber plates you would end up with positive camber. The eye to eye mount plates move the mounting point very far inwards. I can take pics if anyone wants.

If you want to order shorter arms I believe spl will do custom lengths. I have seen where some guys cut the strut brace to get more room to increase camber.

These plates are not necessary, any other plate in conjunction with eccentric sleeves on the kingpin would allow -3.5 degrees.

[jfritz27]

Originally Posted by Track/S

These plates are not necessary, any other plate in conjunction with eccentric sleeves on the kingpin would allow -3.5 degrees.

But how would you use the GTMore MCS variant with anything other than the BW plate? The GTmore MCS front strut uniquely uses an eyelet-style (Clevis) mount to the plate (just like all MCS rear struts). The BW plate is the only one I've seen configured like this. It's a cool design, no bearing to wear out.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by jfritz27

But how would you use the GTMore MCS variant with anything other than the BW plate? The GTmore MCS front strut uniquely uses an eyelet-style (Clevis) mount to the plate (just like all MCS rear struts). The BW plate is the only one I've seen configured like this. It's a cool design, no bearing to wear out.

Track /s is talking about how much camber you can get with regular camber plates and suspension, not how to run the gtmore suspension without the bw camber plate

[jfritz27]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Track /s is talking about how much camber you can get with regular camber plates and suspension, not how to run the gtmore suspension without the bw camber plate

Ahhhhh

[F80 M3 LTW]

What bbk do people recommend these days?

I’d be tempted to run a front setup with oem rear, which from what I can tell isn’t uncommon.

The paragon setups seem decent and affordable. I’d want something that fits under 18s.

Curious what people would recommend?

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by F80 M3 LTW

What bbk do people recommend these days?

I’d be tempted to run a front setup with oem rear, which from what I can tell isn’t uncommon.

The paragon setups seem decent and affordable. I’d want something that fits under 18s.

Curious what people would recommend?

If you need something serious, the bimmerworld-alcon kit

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

If you need something serious, the bimmerworld-alcon kit

At what point are people finding the limit of the 2nh and high heat tolerant pad compounds. They work fine for me, but I'm not above 135mph into braking zones at the track I run. I use a carbotech xp12 but there is still room in their offerings for higher grip tires and a little more heat.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

At what point are people finding the limit of the 2nh and high heat tolerant pad compounds. They work fine for me, but I'm not above 135mph into braking zones at the track I run. I use a carbotech xp12 but there is still room in their offerings for higher grip tires and a little more heat.

The 2nh is a good system, especially when combined with the rb upgrades for pistons and seals. And it can be made to fit under 18" wheels, track/s modifies the front calipers

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

The 2nh is a good system, especially when combined with the rb upgrades for pistons and seals. And it can be made to fit under 18" wheels, track/s modifies the front calipers

I have his brackets. Probably get the Ti pistons. Not sure if Ti backing plates are a good idea or not.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I have his brackets. Probably get the Ti pistons. Not sure if Ti backing plates are a good idea or not.

I'd get the Ti pistons if I were still running those brakes on a track car. And while you're at it, do the RB high temp seals

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I have his brackets. Probably get the Ti pistons. Not sure if Ti backing plates are a good idea or not.

Where are you getting Ti pistons?

https://racingbrake.com/bb-62p/

Also:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2045361

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Where are you getting Ti pistons?

https://racingbrake.com/bb-62p/

Track/S is developing some for the 2NH. His stuff is top notch and that's where I buy if available.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Where are you getting Ti pistons?

https://racingbrake.com/bb-62p/

Also:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2045361

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Track/S is developing some for the 2NH. His stuff is top notch and that's where I buy if available.

Rb makes ss pistons and high temp seals.
Track/s is starting to make ti pistons for the ccb/2nh caliper.

[F80 M3 LTW]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

If you need something serious, the bimmerworld-alcon kit

My oem calipers are still blue so I have some work to do. I like to plan things out though and was thinking of getting a front kit in the future and keeping the oem rears.

The two I was looking at were
Paragon
https://paragonbrakes.com/track-performance-big-brake-kit-pa035-6-piston-bmw-m2-f87-m3-f80-m4-f82-f83-front/

And ap racing / Essex
https://www.essexparts.com/ap-racing-by-essex-radi-cal-competition-brake-kit-front-9660372mm-f87-m2-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-enp

In their overview bimmerworld repeats several times their kit shouldn’t be used in the street. Might be CYA, but I still drive to and from the track and sometimes travel to tracks plus occasional street drives.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by F80 M3 LTW

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankMstein View Post
Where are you getting Ti pistons?

https://racingbrake.com/bb-62p/

Also:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2045361
Quote:
Originally Posted by medphysdave View Post
Track/S is developing some for the 2NH. His stuff is top notch and that's where I buy if available.
Rb makes ss pistons and high temp seals.
Track/s is starting to make ti pistons for the ccb/2nh caliper.

It was my understanding that the gold brakes had Ti pistons and the other colors had SS, just hearsay. I am on my second set of RB seal upgrades.

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

It was my understanding that the gold brakes had Ti pistons and the other colors had SS, just hearsay. I am on my second set of RB seal upgrades.

All 2NH calipers have aluminum pistons, (blue, antracite, gold, red)



Ti pistons ready to install:

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by F80 M3 LTW

My oem calipers are still blue so I have some work to do. I like to plan things out though and was thinking of getting a front kit in the future and keeping the oem rears.

The two I was looking at were
Paragon
https://paragonbrakes.com/track-perf...f82-f83-front/

And ap racing / Essex
https://www.essexparts.com/ap-racing...f80-m3-f82-enp

In their overview bimmerworld repeats several times their kit shouldn’t be used in the street. Might be CYA, but I still drive to and from the track and sometimes travel to tracks plus occasional street drives.

That situation is identical for the AP kit. I've had the AP, it is not as great a kit as people think it is.
No idea about Paragons kit.

Once someone truly outgrows the oem blue brakes with upgrades, I think it's time to get the bw alcons. Until then, no point in wasting money.
The 2nh setup is a nice intermediate and can fit under 18" wheels

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by F80 M3 LTW

My oem calipers are still blue so I have some work to do. I like to plan things out though and was thinking of getting a front kit in the future and keeping the oem rears.

The two I was looking at were
Paragon
https://paragonbrakes.com/track-perf...f82-f83-front/

And ap racing / Essex
https://www.essexparts.com/ap-racing...f80-m3-f82-enp

In their overview bimmerworld repeats several times their kit shouldn’t be used in the street. Might be CYA, but I still drive to and from the track and sometimes travel to tracks plus occasional street drives.

I wish more people carried PFC. I also wish the company and their website had not fallen off a cliff. Their ZR95/96 calipers and V3 rotors are on the P Cup cars and are fantastic. Pads have always been.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

I wish more people carried PFC. I also wish the company and their website had not fallen off a cliff. Their ZR95/96 calipers and V3 rotors are on the P Cup cars and are fantastic. Pads have always been.

You and me both!

But they have released ccb iron rotors for the f8x, so there is still hope

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

You and me both!

But they have released ccb iron rotors for the f8x, so there is still hope

So far they have not. I asked the rotor guy for an update. The same update I ask for every year for the last three years.

[medphysdave]

Between Track/S for caliper adapters and PFC for rotors is there a solution that would replace the 2NH caliper? Then you could run 380mm or 400mm rotors with the right adapter.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

So far they have not. I asked the rotor guy for an update. The same update I ask for every year for the last three years.

word on the street is they exist and are being tested for the CCB/2NH calipers